The official RMTer Goodbye P1999 Thread

[Harlan]

Originally Posted by Smurflogik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is hilarious. High-horse, self-righteous do-gooders on one side, and awful, half-assed excuses and justifications on the other. Everyone is taking all of this so serisouly and forgetting that it's a free, pirated game. Get. Over. It.

Thanks for the entertainment on a slow work afternoon though haha

Agree. This thread is unpayable (even with RMT) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

Just consider 3 hypothetical examples but there are more.

1) A friend gave me a fungi for free. I sold it in EC.
2) Somebody else than me plays my account because I authorised him.
3) A guy paid me 40k to powerlevel him a bit.

Nobody, staff included, has anything to object against any of these 3 actions.
Do the righteous see any trace of RMT Inside ? Well who knows.
Have they any shred of beginning of a proof ? Nope.

Anyway, I perhaps also paid some real money for PP (won't explain how it could have been done) some time ago because I am a big Trade Skill amateur like I was back in 99 and Trade Skills in EQ are horribly expensive. As I didn't intend to level much, the only solution was perhaps to buy enough PP to do what I like - Trade skilling.
My character is now 35 but very high in most trade skills.

If some transaction really happened then there was no harm intended and no harm done to anybody.
That's how I like things and be very sure that I didn't take any of it seriously [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by Harlan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree. This thread is unpayable (even with RMT) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

Just consider 3 hypothetical examples but there are more.

1) A friend gave me a fungi for free. I sold it in EC.
2) Somebody else than me plays my account because I authorised him.
3) A guy paid me 40k to powerlevel him a bit.

Nobody, staff included, has anything to object against any of these 3 actions.
Do the righteous see any trace of RMT Inside ? Well who knows.
Have they any shred of beginning of a proof ? Nope.

Anyway, I perhaps also paid some real money for PP (won't explain how it could have been done) some time ago because I am a big Trade Skill amateur like I was back in 99 and Trade Skills in EQ are horribly expensive. As I didn't intend to level much, the only solution was perhaps to buy enough PP to do what I like - Trade skilling.
My character is now 35 but very high in most trade skills.

If some transaction really happened then there was no harm intended and no harm done to anybody.
That's how I like things and be very sure that I didn't take any of it seriously [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean you "liked" tradeskilling...
Inb4ban

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Harlan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree. This thread is unpayable (even with RMT) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

Just consider 3 hypothetical examples but there are more.

1) A friend gave me a fungi for free. I sold it in EC.
2) Somebody else than me plays my account because I authorised him.
3) A guy paid me 40k to powerlevel him a bit.

Nobody, staff included, has anything to object against any of these 3 actions.
Do the righteous see any trace of RMT Inside ? Well who knows.
Have they any shred of beginning of a proof ? Nope.

Anyway, I perhaps also paid some real money for PP (won't explain how it could have been done) some time ago because I am a big Trade Skill amateur like I was back in 99 and Trade Skills in EQ are horribly expensive. As I didn't intend to level much, the only solution was perhaps to buy enough PP to do what I like - Trade skilling.
My character is now 35 but very high in most trade skills.

If some transaction really happened then there was no harm intended and no harm done to anybody.
That's how I like things and be very sure that I didn't take any of it seriously [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you defend people who get banned for RMT by saying that there may in fact be no actual proof of wrongdoing, and then admit to RMT yourself. Good call.

Also,numbers 1 and 3 in your scenario have happened before from the RMT posts I've read, and the devs typically lift the ban if the person is actually innocent and had no idea. Number 2, you give your account info out, everything that happens after that point is on you.

[Nirgon]

Tons of legit trades of people just giving away Trak BPs, high end haste, fungi, 100k+ plat etc right. Esp when the people donig the trade have no history of ever being guilded with each other.

Yeah yup.

[Bazia]

I dunno why you guys give a shit if somebody wants to buy shit from someone else for money, even when top end guilds aren't RMTing they will still kill everything the second it spawns for alts or just so you can't have it.

Victimless crime other than pixel envy.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno why you guys give a shit if somebody wants to buy shit from someone else for money, even when top end guilds aren't RMTing they will still kill everything the second it spawns for alts or just so you can't have it.

Victimless crime other than pixel envy.

I don't know why anyone would be so obsessed with a game, especially one that is an emulated version of a 15 year old mmo, that they would feel the need to try to circumvent the rules of said game. Like don't pay real money for in game items. Then they try to act like they are justified because its just a game. Yet, if they really had that opinion, they wouldn't have been driven to break the rules of the server that were already laid out clearly and in plain English for them just to have a few extra pixels. So the real victims are the RMTers themselves. Victims of their own stupidity.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the real victims are the RMTers themselves. Victims of their own stupidity.

Well, them and the GMs and guides who MUST (for legal reasons) spend a huge amount of time fighting this nonsense. But sure, wasting huge amounts of time of the people who already volunteer their time just so this server even exists for you to play this game ... that's completely victim-less.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, them and the GMs and guides who MUST (for legal reasons) spend a huge amount of time fighting this nonsense. But sure, wasting huge amounts of time of the people who already volunteer their time just so this server even exists for you to play this game ... that's completely victim-less.

You are correct. I'm not at all defending RMT.

[Nikon]

The couple people I know that were banned for being unwilling participants in RMT related trades have all been unbanned. I think the longest it took someone to get unbanned was a couple days. While some folks may view not being able to play for two days as an end of the world scenario, in the grand scheme of things I'd say it's worth it in order to hand out hundreds of legitimate bans.

[Ahldagor]

who necro'd this thread

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