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Old 03-16-2014, 12:04 AM
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Stop shaving your armpits and shut the fuck up. Happy?
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Old 03-16-2014, 01:09 AM
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In my reverse experiments I openly stated I was a girl, in some form or another, while on the male characters I simply didn't correct anyone.

And I get what you're saying, it's much easier to blame something like sex or race when in actuality it's a failing on your part which is causing you to be treated differently. Often times many of us are guilty of thinking we're a bit better than we actually are, hell knows I'm guilty of it. Difference is when you're playing a male character, folks are much more likely to point out when and how you're fucking up, so you can improve, not so much on girls. I'd be likely to question my play ability rather than the differences in how the sexes are treated in video games, if I didn't catch high praise on my male toons and being trusted repeatedly with important jobs, where as my openly female characters just weren't. I'm not saying I'm insanely awesome, especially now that I just don't have the drive or the time to hardcore game anymore, but I wasn't too shabby.

You're absolutely right on how females get a lot of benefits in the gaming world, every one of your points is spot on, free pixels, attention, and of course there's the ewhore consequence issue. My point is that those of us who do care about playing the game on a higher level (or did in my case) do reap the consequences of girls who give gaming girls a bad name in general, and have to work hard to overcome those obstacles.

Like I said in the beginning of my post, I haven't ran into it a lot on P99, people seem equally pleasant and giving to new folks regardless of sex, as well as just helping out in general, but I'm also not a part of nor plan to be a part of the raid scene, so I can't speak for how it affects anything on the higher level.

To be fair, this was my personal experience and what drove me to play more of a male persona when I game, but I began gaming when females just weren't as prevalent in the gaming world, and times have changed. Someone starting now may have an entirely different experience to what I encountered back in 1999.
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Old 03-16-2014, 01:41 AM
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Like I said in the beginning of my post, I haven't ran into it a lot on P99, people seem equally pleasant and giving to new folks regardless of sex, as well as just helping out in general, but I'm also not a part of nor plan to be a part of the raid scene, so I can't speak for how it affects anything on the higher level.
At first I was extremely discouraged when I joined p99. I met a guy who was playing a female toon of the same race, class and level: only he had a lot of really nice upgrades constantly handed out to him while I maintained my trusty, rusty spear. I was pleasantly surprised, however, when I eventually got a some cool hand-me-downs as well. I think this is indicative of the higher level of maturity of p99 when compared to classic live. We're all substantially older now.

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To be fair, this was my personal experience and what drove me to play more of a male persona when I game, but I began gaming when females just weren't as prevalent in the gaming world, and times have changed. Someone starting now may have an entirely different experience to what I encountered back in 1999.
I've always found the concept of women playing male characters interesting. Men play women for various reasons, but in the end it's expected that most women are men. I don't think I've ever encountered a male character who I had suspected was actually a female.

In a way it exchanges any positive or negative impact that your sexual identity may have upon your experience, for the impacts of your actual achievements and other measurable qualifications. This is the reality of gaming for nearly all male players. A man is simply a player, there are no other factors. He is measured by the results he produces. A woman is a female and a player, and so a different set of criteria shapes her experiences. It's kind of a double-edged sword: do you want free shit and special treatment, or do you want to be taken seriously?

Is it right? Probably not. But, I think the social context created by women flaunting the fact that they are women isn't going to improve anything from the vantage point of any neck beard. I'm not saying women should hide the fact that they are women, I'm just saying it behooves them to not go out of their way to announce it. Just like on your male character: you didn't correct anyone, and you didn't play up the fact that you're a woman. Which is pretty groovy. So, my next comment doesn't really apply to you.

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Lol, you seriously think women have an easier time in online games?
The answer is obviously "yes." You will have an easier time getting gear, and you will have an easier time procuring help in achieving whatever it is you want to achieve. However, if you abuse the fact that most men will jump at the chance to help a woman gamer by flaunting your alleged double X chromosomes while expecting to be taken seriously, you will technically have a harder time, in that you will fail to have your cake and eat it too.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:00 AM
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Faerie, I can relate. My character was featured in a series of online EQ comics a friend of mine wrote, and was featured in a Silky Venom article regarding girl gaming. After that I logged into so many tells I actually couldn't get to them all, most of which were especially disconcerting...I actually had a guy bug me for three straight days wanting to know what shoe size I wore. I stopped logging in, and a RL friend of mine got tired of not having a tank for our groups and paid for a name change for me.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:06 AM
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Faerie, I can relate. My character was featured in a series of online EQ comics a friend of mine wrote, and was featured in a Silky Venom article regarding girl gaming. After that I logged into so many tells I actually couldn't get to them all, most of which were especially disconcerting...I actually had a guy bug me for three straight days wanting to know what shoe size I wore. I stopped logging in, and a RL friend of mine got tired of not having a tank for our groups and paid for a name change for me.
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Old 03-16-2014, 01:23 PM
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Faerie, I can relate. My character was featured in a series of online EQ comics a friend of mine wrote, and was featured in a Silky Venom article regarding girl gaming. After that I logged into so many tells I actually couldn't get to them all, most of which were especially disconcerting...I actually had a guy bug me for three straight days wanting to know what shoe size I wore. I stopped logging in, and a RL friend of mine got tired of not having a tank for our groups and paid for a name change for me.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:11 AM
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Tell it to someone who cares, I'll provide a list so you don't have to lift a finger, think of it as holding a door open for you or having a heart to heart with your dad and us deciding this would be best for you if that helps.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:24 AM
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Tell it to someone who cares, I'll provide a list so you don't have to lift a finger, think of it as holding a door open for you or having a heart to heart with your dad and us deciding this would be best for you if that helps.
Who are you even talking to? :P
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:51 AM
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Same person I've been trolling, I'm not much for masquerade.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:57 AM
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Sometimes now when I join an MMO, I don't tell anyone my RL gender.
I think I did that for 1.5 years here. It worked ok for awhile, but it backfired and ended up bringing more attention to my RL gender than I wanted. The are you female IRL question was so horribly awkward to deal with that I decided to dodge it all together. Unfortunately, that normally benign piece of information is step 1 to forming any meaningful connection between people. Know who you're dealing with. As people we're scripted to interact one way or the other, depending on gender. I kinda threw a wrench in that with my silence, but so does my answer lol.
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