DA KSes offically now?

[Holey]

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[Ingrum]

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Virtuosos]

he said if he would of spawned 5 hours later we would have NOT been there, maybe one or two members would just to get a timer on him but that would be about it....the most that i have ever waited for a pop on a raid with trans over the past 6 months ive been with em has been about two hours....we dont recruit people who are willing to sit for 72 hours straight waiting for a pop, we detest it. the only time you will see us wait for a pop is for when sky/fear/hate was cleared 7hours earlier and we want to be the first ones there to start clearing again.

and aggro range is pretty wide with raid bosses, does it boil down to who was closest to the actual spawn point or who was in aggro range first..you can either sit directly on spawn or 100 feet away and inny would aggro ya, does the person that moves in second, 50 feet closer, get first right even if you were there first?

[sidgb]

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

he said if he would of spawned 5 hours later we would have NOT been there, maybe one or two members would just to get a timer on him but that would be about it....the most that i have ever waited for a pop on a raid with trans over the past 6 months ive been with em has been about two hours....we dont recruit people who are willing to sit for 72 hours straight waiting for a pop, we detest it. the only time you will see us wait for a pop is for when sky/fear/hate was cleared 7hours earlier and we want to be the first ones there to start clearing again.

and aggro range is pretty wide with raid bosses, does it boil down to who was closest to the actual spawn point or who was in aggro range first..you can either sit directly on spawn or 100 feet away and inny would aggro ya, does the person that moves in second, 50 feet closer, get first right even if you were there first?

per Rogean..

The fact is Transcendence was also there much longer actually waiting for the spawn around the corner.

Generally "around the corner" is out of LOS and out off aggro range which is the real point. Unless Rogean was mistaken. The range is not relevant at that point.

Don't get me wrong, it was probably the best choice for your raid force as an Inny spawn on top of you would have been a wipe. I would guess only DA had the numbers to actually sit on the spawn point in the immediate aggro range that features so prominently in the raid rules.

The question is, do the raid rules now effectively dictate a zerg force has priority over a smaller force who cant afford an uncontrolled aggro event because of camp spawn requirements?

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by sidgb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

per Rogean..



The question is, do the raid rules now effectively dictate a zerg force has priority over a smaller force who cant afford an uncontrolled aggro event because of camp spawn requirements?

The answer is that people want to constantly nickel and dime the raid rules all and up down these message boards to try and validate the fact that they are being immoral.

If you're gonna be badboys about competing for mobs then be fucking badboys, don't sit here trying to convince people the rules were on your side.

[sidgb]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The answer is that people want to constantly nickel and dime the raid rules all and up down these message boards to try and validate the fact that they are being immoral.

If you're gonna be badboys about competing for mobs then be fucking badboys, don't sit here trying to convince people the rules were on your side.

Sadly, the raid rules lend themselves to this "nickel and dime" stuff because of their specificity on certain aspect of staking a claim.

Arguably, in an FTE focused environment DA's leapfrog actions could actually be considered playing nice. Heck, in PvP killing the other raid force for the spawn is also "playing nice".

For the most part, when people get beat they consider the other guy as not "playing nice". We have people on the server that think a handful of guilds dominating all the raid bosses is not "playing nice". "Playing nice" can be very subjective based on your perspective.

[Bashee_Feind]

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and aggro range is pretty wide with raid bosses, does it boil down to who was closest to the actual spawn point or who was in aggro range first..you can either sit directly on spawn or 100 feet away and inny would aggro ya, does the person that moves in second, 50 feet closer, get first right even if you were there first?

You were sitting at the top of the ramp, around the corner and through a doorway of Inny. In no way, shape, or form were you in aggro range. You were at the top of the ramp and out of aggro range (as said by Supreme himself) and DA came up the ramp and ran into Inny's spawn point.

Also I'd like to point out the statement made a few post prior. Neither guild had any clear evidence on who was at the spawn point first. And you notice that WAS in fact left out of the screenshot. Neither Trans or DA had any proper proof, so Rogean switched to FTE rules. Otherwise, he wouldn't have bothered going through those logs, he would have just awarded to the first with 15 on the spawn point (as that's where you're supposed to be to claim a mob). Supreme, let's see your fraps you're claiming.

Shaere. Yes, things were kept quiet in public chat, and that's respectful. However, for your guild members to be going after DA on this post, even some stretching of the truth in situations, is not very respectful. DA has left this post alone, why can't you guys? Just drop it and move along.
I also think you have a better attitude than supreme. He acts like a child at times. kudos for representing in a better manner.

This whole incident was just silly. Rogean made the call or who got what and he took care of it from there. DA wasn't whining, but Supreme seems to be, even though it was ruled in his favor. Just let it go. You got the loot, Congratulations. Take it and walk away. What's the sense in fighting?

[Virtuosos]

well im not really talking about where we were sitting at when i mentioned distance, that was just an overall question for the future...



just another question to bring up at the next PTA

[Virtuosos]

im thinking this whole spawn varience is bunch of bullshit anyways, make it 100% random and not in some 3 day time frame and it eliminates any sort of camping and whatnot


but thats a whole new topic that has been beaten to death 20 times over =/

[Shiftin]

I feel like i'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. Granted I'm not quite planes ready on this server, but I led more than my fair share of raids on live.

How is no one pointing out that it is strategically retarded to actually sit on a bosses' spawn point. It negates your ability to safely kill the other things in the zone that drops items you also need, which is a common sense thing to do while waiting (unless anyone wants to pretend there aren't people in both guilds who could use pieces of their planar armor). A big pull (esp healers) + inopportune inny spawn could easily wipe a raid that could otherwise wipe the floor with inny.

I understand the rules are such so that people can't claim nagafen from the zone line with a handful of people, but let's apply a tiny bit of common sense here.