How much native american influence you think america had as a democracy and culture?

[Jimes]

Because women's rights were so stellar in western societies at the time, right? It almost sounds like some of you are defending absolute barbarity that the native people of this continent suffered at the hands of Europeans, and continue to deal with today. So quick to judge other cultures... sad.

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because women's rights were so stellar in western societies at the time, right? It almost sounds like some of you are defending absolute barbarity that the native people of this continent suffered at the hands of Europeans, and continue to deal with today. So quick to judge other cultures... sad.

OK I peeked back to see if anyone had anything to say to me, and i'll bite...

So women's rights in america changed after women's rights abroad by 10-20 years because of native americans, not because of all the western cultures in europe... mebe native americans influenced europe too?

Really hard to prove that. Nor were they, afaik, the first culture to have rights for women in history. Show some causality...

As for the last two sentences, IDK the guy you're talking to, but disagreeing with you re: causality DNE vendetta against native americans, so please don't accuse me of the same [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Causality vs. correlation. LEARN IT PEOPLES.

[Thrynn]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because women's rights were so stellar in western societies at the time, right? It almost sounds like some of you are defending absolute barbarity that the native people of this continent suffered at the hands of Europeans, and continue to deal with today. So quick to judge other cultures... sad.

It's not about judging other cultures, it's about the power of the sword, which every civilization has used to achieve it's ends. The conquered peoples of history simply lost. Any civilization that could use it did, and those that couldn't would have if they could have.

The radical self-hatred doctrine so devoutly worshipped by so many today states that the Europeans were evil for conquering the Americas, but all other conquest through the ages is simply a non biased fact from the pages of history , neither right nor wrong, no one is "the bad guy"