Bards & AE in zones where players XP.

[Hollywood]

What is with all this defense of the swarm kite, and pity-pooing bards as not having many levelling options?

The majority of bards did and still do gain experience from grouping.

The only reason that Swarmkiting is such a problem here is because it goes unchecked, primarily in that there's not enough server activity.

High server activity = low amount of mobs = bard goes somewhere else more bespoke to get his kills.


People are also conveniently leaving out that a lot of swarmkiting issues are caused by Bard's running a PL service.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to get all PC, but "retard" is the new "******", "spic", or "kike". Let's face it: mentally handicapped people have life hard enough without being compared to jerk offs like that guy.

Personally I think using a phrase like "mentally deficient" works better as an insult than "retard" anyway. "Retard" is an insult a 10 year old would use; "mentally deficient" makes you sound like you're actually smarter than them.

Wait what?
Retard is retard.
Mentally deficient does nothing but make you sound like some spineless douchebag PC liberal.

Well played.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hollywood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait what?
Retard is retard.
Mentally deficient does nothing but make you sound like some spineless douchebag PC liberal.

Ok, don't use "mentally deficient" then; that was just an example.

I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll keep it simple: I personally don't see a need to use words that offend groups of people. I was pointing out the fact that the term "retard" has been singled out by the mentally handicapped community. If you don't believe me google "retard offensive".

But look, use whatever words you want to express yourself. All I'm saying is, some people might get offended when you do.

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, don't use "mentally deficient" then; that was just an example.

I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll keep it simple: I personally don't see a need to use words that offend groups of people. I was pointing out the fact that the term "retard" has been singled out by the mentally handicapped community. If you don't believe me google "retard offensive".

But look, use whatever words you want to express yourself. All I'm saying is, some people might get offended when you do.

I guess my response is more of a mock that you bothered to make that clarification here where unfortunately it goes unappreciated.

Well I suppose it didn't hurt for you to try.

[manwithaplan11]

Lol seriously? Retard, dumb, stupid. I'm not trying to be nice to the guy lol, I think he's an idiot. /shrug

How is mentally deficient or mentally handicapped more PC anyway? They're all insults.

[NextGenesis88]

This is petitionable so yeah not sure why anyone would be on the bards side who is swarming a large amount of GREEN mobs during peak hours with a bunch of people appropriately leveled. You said you played 3 Bards so clearly biased. Sounds troll worthy for sure.

Bards don't NEED to swarm kite.. they can also group too and I would applaud a bard who groups and plays his role there well. I do not applaud this scenario though and I don't see how anyone could except the guy doing it, but hey reputation is all on you and that's one repercussion if not being petitioned. If anything swarm kiting goes against what classic EQ is all about whether it's classic or not. It's basically the same category as the huge swarming on the live servers just in the realm of what you can do in classic. I am not against it, but I am against certain actions no matter what class you are. It's not solely against bards, it's just simple manners and respectful actions. This is just a completely selfish thing to do and you cannot claim half of a whole zone or a whole zone unless there isn't anybody there or they have no problem with it.

It's like this guy would be standing up for the bard in any case. When do you draw the line? I'm not afraid to stand out against this because anyone in their right mind should see why this cannot always fly. If nobody mentions any issues during these occasions then okay, then don't expect anything to change and don't come to complain about it after. First step should be to politely ask the person if he could leave a fair amount of mobs up for everyone else. Stay respectful no matter what and if they tell you no or keep ignoring you then petition.

Also would like to state that I played a bard to 49 without swarming once. Doesn't have to mean anything. Just grouping as a bard can be fun. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by NextGenesis88 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If anything swarm kiting goes against what classic EQ is all about whether it's classic or not.

O rlly? Says you...

I'm pretty sure I remember Nilbog saying that this server was going to be about making classic EQ "the good with the bad". People being dicks and jerks is a big part of what classic eq was in reality (not the romanticized vision folks want to recall). You want classic eq? Get ready for a game where you can be a good guy or a jerk off without the mechanics of the game stopping you. P1999 wins here, and I love it.

http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27260

But, I guess its not about that according to some.

[NextGenesis88]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

O rlly? Says you...

I'm pretty sure I remember Nilbog saying that this server was going to be about making classic EQ "the good with the bad". People being dicks and jerks is a big part of what classic eq was in reality (not the romanticized vision folks want to recall). You want classic eq? Get ready for a game where you can be a good guy or a jerk off without the mechanics of the game stopping you. P1999 wins here, and I love it.

http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27260

But, I guess its not about that according to some.

I think your making your own argument here and we are actually on the same side. I'm saying I don't agree with the way some people do this technique. I never said it should be removed and I don't have a problem with it as a whole. Like I said, it's all on the person how they handle their reputation. For the most part people are pretty awesome here, but when you find people who are assholes then that's perfectly fine because that's up to them if they care they will be avoided by certain people. If it's not important for them to build a good reputation then sure by all means keep it up, but they will only be digging themselves a grave in the community.

And frankly I would be interested in trying a good PVP server. I rolled a Shaman on Red, but I just haven't dedicated much time into him yet.

[Kazi]

I think it's funny this guy is basically saying bards can only level by swarming. Ever try grouping?

[Shaniril]

Originally Posted by Kazi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's funny this guy is basically saying bards can only level by swarming. Ever try grouping?

The rampant bard-hate makes it difficult to find a group willing to take you. Speaking from experience (though I've yet to find a group that DIDN'T like me being there after inviting!)

[Unidus]

Sure it's classic but on live it was a rare sight so it wasn't a big deal. On this server most bards know about it and how to do it because of Youtube and all the forum posts about it. So it is now a non rare sight and is freaking annoying and it needs to be banned.