What's so great about Iksar?

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or perhaps it's a case of not being retarded and timing your casts after swings? To prevent interupts from push and bash.

Perfectly capable of doing that, but still there's plenties of convoluted nonsense to avoid something that is not a factor for ogres whatsoever.

People being really hostile about this btw, terms "noob" and "retarded" flung about nonstop. Are Iksar SKs the classic rangers of p99 or something? Little nudge and they immediately get bananas upset?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perfectly capable of doing that, but still there's plenties of convoluted nonsense to avoid something that is not a factor for ogres whatsoever.

People being really hostile about this btw, terms "noob" and "retarded" flung about nonstop. Are Iksar SKs the classic rangers of p99 or something? Little nudge and they immediately get bananas upset?

Cause people tend to tell anyone who rolls a warrior, SK or Shaman that ogre is the only choice and everyone else is dumb.

When infact, other races can and do play to the same level of efficiency and power, and in certain cases - a la iksars - exceed. Ogre is just a faceroll race. Don't need to think, just cast. Other races sure you've got to wait 0.5 seconds for a round to occur then cast your spell... But instead you can get regen and/or AC or you don't need to shrink ever, etc.

[JPMorgan]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre is just a faceroll race.

Min/Max at every possible opportunity kills game immersion as well.

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cause people tend to tell anyone who rolls a warrior, SK or Shaman that ogre is the only choice and everyone else is dumb.

When infact, other races can and do play to the same level of efficiency and power, and in certain cases - a la iksars - exceed. Ogre is just a faceroll race. Don't need to think, just cast. Other races sure you've got to wait 0.5 seconds for a round to occur then cast your spell... But instead you can get regen and/or AC or you don't need to shrink ever, etc.

I don't play a shaman so I'm not totally familiar with spell cast times, but against tough mind I know you basically are constantly casting spells. Are torpor and epic click quick enough that you can do this all with careful timing? The ogre ability seems much more important for shamans

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cause people tend to tell anyone who rolls a warrior, SK or Shaman that ogre is the only choice and everyone else is dumb.

When infact, other races can and do play to the same level of efficiency and power, and in certain cases - a la iksars - exceed. Ogre is just a faceroll race. Don't need to think, just cast. Other races sure you've got to wait 0.5 seconds for a round to occur then cast your spell... But instead you can get regen and/or AC or you don't need to shrink ever, etc.

I'm one of these people.

Ogres are simply better from a min/max standpoint at level 60. The advantages are not gamebreaking, but they are there.

The idea of timing spells around bashes is pretty naive. As an SK, you are timing your spells around your melee, not the NPCs special abilities timer. Furthermore, if you're timing for bash, you're making the assumption that bash is always going to hit. If you're stunned, you're stunned - why not attempt the cast anyway in case bash misses like it does often? It gets a bit more complicated as well when you sprinkle more than 1 monster into the picture. With an ogre, you get to ignore the above.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm one of these people.

Ogres are simply better from a min/max standpoint at level 60. The advantages are not gamebreaking, but they are there.

The idea of timing spells around bashes is pretty naive. As an SK, you are timing your spells around your melee, not the NPCs special abilities timer. Furthermore, if you're timing for bash, you're making the assumption that bash is always going to hit. If you're stunned, you're stunned - why not attempt the cast anyway in case bash misses like it does often? It gets a bit more complicated as well when you sprinkle more than 1 monster into the picture. With an ogre, you get to ignore the above.

This guy gets it, and the same logic applies for shaman too. Timing spellcasts around the mob(s) beating on you is a handicap because it implies waiting, and having to wait to cast is exactly what makes getting stunned dangerous. You can say you don't care, but you can't say it isn't true.

I've seen people say that stun immunity is overrated because an ogre still has to put his butt into a corner to prevent interrupts. This is true, but it isn't evidence for the argument that ogre stun immunity is overrated. Non-ogres also want to put their butts in a corner to prevent push interrupts, and when they do this, they can still get bashed. Ogres can't.

[Supaskillz]

Frontal stun immunity is awesome and also having a million more sta seems relevant. I actually think it's bs that iksar a kept the Ac bonus when they were able t wear velious plate, but obv Ac bonus and regen is also sweet.

Speaking of how much Ac matters. Can anyone point me to good thread on how Ac works? It is not obvious to me how much difference it makes. Also soft/hard caps for ac?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frontal stun immunity is awesome and also having a million more sta seems relevant. I actually think it's bs that iksar a kept the Ac bonus when they were able t wear velious plate, but obv Ac bonus and regen is also sweet.

Speaking of how much Ac matters. Can anyone point me to good thread on how Ac works? It is not obvious to me how much difference it makes. Also soft/hard caps for ac?

On P99? There's been a few parses done but no formula posted for whatever reason :P

[lecompte]

Iksar warrior is going to take less damage and hold about the same agro in vel despite being stunned because dex is easily maxed with gear on an ikky. Yes, you'll be stunned. It is frustrating, doesn't matter so long as you can hold agro.

[Supaskillz]

Warriors don't cast spells. I don't think the ogre argument holds up for them. High end gear + buffs I'm sure iksar a can hit sta cap too