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Old 02-21-2014, 02:23 PM
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Doesn't work on red.

Neither does duck casting.

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Shit's classic there.

Being real upfront with bugs discovered later that were quickly fixed that ruined the game. People recharging 20 midnight mallets for raiding doesn't recreate the classic experience you think it does.

And 'm out dis bitch.
Can't one say that not being able to interrupt your own spellcast is a BUG?
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:28 PM
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dont bother lojik

used to think that guy was like ele, and really just cared about classic

didnt always agree with it, but admired it

now i see he just likes to troll people with this stuff
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:27 PM
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dont bother lojik

used to think that guy was like ele, and really just cared about classic

didnt always agree with it, but admired it

now i see he just likes to troll people with this stuff
Sometimes they contribute sometimes they don't. The reality of it is though, they capture and argue for a ton of changes and represent a valid viewpoint on the spectrum.

I myself play here because this was my favorite era. This is when I started the game and when I feel it it was at its best - current emulation be damned. So on the one hand I enjoyed the game for what it was but was frustrated at the time due to silly limitations (spell book medding, cast from sit etc...). I did play all the way till Ldon so I also go to enjoy some of the newer features that may be used only because of Titanium client.

I guess the point I'm making here is that without the die hards (trolly as they may be) this wouldn't even be close to classic and although I enjoy the perks of game as it is, I do understand that the only reason some things might be kept around is because of some large game-breaking exploit or cruel visual limitation that's easily removed or modded around. Non classic items should be brought as close as classic as possible in order to keep in tune with the projects goal.

Recharging: is it classic? Yes. Keep it in? No on red because of serious pvp exploitation issues. Yes on blue because it does not make you invincible nor does it allow you to kill the hardest encounters which can be done with a group anyways.

Duck cast cancellation: I grit my teeth because I would hate it (and did in the brief time I played on red) but it's classic. Put it in.

TL;DR: "classic or die" is on one end of the spectrum, "idgaf" is on the other. Where you sit is up to you and what stays on the server is up to the devs. There should be criteria and this is what I think it should be.

Also, trolls gonna troll.
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:08 PM
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Recharging is a classic mechanics versus classic feel argument. Mechanically, we are correct for the lifespan of Project 1999 - there is no room for disagreement there (for recharging). The question is which side to go with.

Personally, I tend to prefer sticking to classic mechanics over classic feel unless gameplay is significantly altered.

Is gameplay significantly altered?

Not really. For me, significantly altered would be things such as launching Velious with classic Wavecrasher or Donal's BP. It would be something like having classic pet aggro and spamming every mob from Nagafen to Avatar of War with pet chains. You know - something that fundamentally changes how the game is played at the raid level.

Mallets are by far the most impactful item on blue. You could go as far as to argue that mallets do fundamentally change how the game plays. The issue with mallets is the same issue with Ivandyr Hoops. That is, a recharging nerf would not stop their mass use. It would be far more beneficial to individually nerf the sole offender in this case if mallet use was deemed wrong.

I went into detail on other individual items on a previous post on this thread. For the blue server, recharging doesn't significantly alter gameplay as it would on red.

Recharging mallets on red would be insignificant compared to everyone having WC caps and golem wands. Fitting enough, this entire thread is Red folk pushing for change on blue without realizing the reason there is a difference between the servers (for recharging, ducking is another issue).

I know I'm a soloer or whatever, but I don't exactly have a horse in this race. I don't have anything good to recharge and my WC is usually uncharged. Furthermore, I only play 2 or 3 hours a month.
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:47 PM
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Can't one say that not being able to interrupt your own spellcast is a BUG?
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:25 PM
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Duck casting needs to go bye byes.

Same w/ recharging BUG.
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:49 PM
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Same w/ recharging BUG.
expected more from you
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:52 PM
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It's a BUG.

The mana stone dropping or being usable in planes wasn't a BUG.

U get my feels here man? There wasn't ONE guild on live raiding with 10+ midnight mallets on the reg that were recharged after.

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Old 02-21-2014, 01:59 PM
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It's a BUG.

The mana stone dropping or being usable in planes wasn't a BUG.

U get my feels here man? There wasn't ONE guild on live raiding with 10+ midnight mallets on the read that were recharged after.[/IMG]
classic is classic because its classic

not because you think the intent was different, not because you didnt see people do it

want a custom server thats 'classic but fixed'? im not against the idea, but lets be real and upfront about it
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:35 PM
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Remove duck casting and I'll stop playing all my casters and most likely the server. That's not a threat, cause I know none of you care. But fuck that.... a form of interrupting spells needs to be in the game. It is why it was added later. Much like the removal of xp penalties, MQ fixes, etc.... The original and each expansion should be released with ALL fixes and updates for that expansion applied at release time.

When was duck casting added to live?

edit: holy crap a few posts up.. You win eq for the day.
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