[WoW] $60 for a level 90!

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jumping from 1-90 is not really a benefit in WoW anymore. It is either a hassle for a new alt or something separating a new player from playing with his friends who are already on the server.

The benefit is that most of the absolutely most incompetent players are not flooding the LFR and LFD system. There are enough stupid people in that system without accentuating it and making it worse. It was hard enough for me to continue doing LFDs and LFR, but I did it for the sake of the guild I operated as GM and raid leader for. I lead us to the top of my server, which I am proud of, but it was done primarily because general pugs at lower levels show some of the most stupid players around. Imagining them jumping up to the end game is just sad, and toxic to the community.

It is a benefit, a product of work, as you skip past about 2-3 days of worth of some intense grinding, 2 days of potentially learning something about your class. Blizzard doing these things is why I passed off leadership of my guild and quit a few months back.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The benefit is that most of the absolutely most incompetent players are not flooding the LFR and LFD system. There are enough stupid people in that system without accentuating it and making it worse. It was hard enough for me to continue doing LFDs and LFR, but I did it for the sake of the guild I operated as GM and raid leader for. I lead us to the top of my server, which I am proud of, but it was done primarily because general pugs at lower levels show some of the most stupid players around. Imagining them jumping up to the end game is just sad, and toxic to the community.

It is a benefit, as you skip past about 2 days of work, 2 days of potentially learning something about your class. Blizzard doing these things is why I passed off leadership of my guild and quit a few months back.

Ok, this makes sense. This isn't what you said your reasoning was in your last post though. And this still isn't really them paying for a benefit to them as much as them paying being an annoyance to you, imo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would expect that most of the people who would be buying a 60 are, like I said, people starting wow because they have buddies playing at max already or people who are skipping past stuff they've already done with other characters. Those people won't probably be polluting dungeon/raid finder with terrible play as much as learning/getting carried by buddies or being fine with the mechanics already cause they've already done then. But yeah, I can see that SOME more crappiness will exist in finders because of this, and that does suck.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, this makes sense. This isn't what you said your reasoning was in your last post though. And this still isn't really them paying for a benefit to them as much as them paying being an annoyance to you, imo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would expect that most of the people who would be buying a 60 are, like I said, people starting wow because they have buddies playing at max already or people who are skipping past stuff they've already done with other characters. Those people won't probably be polluting dungeon/raid finder with terrible play as much as learning/getting carried by buddies or being fine with the mechanics already cause they've already done then. But yeah, I can see that SOME more crappiness will exist in finders because of this, and that does suck.

The rationale in my previous post, and the ones here, are not mutually exclusive, and the one in the last post directly builds off of, and responds to your critique of, the first one. The additional points about LFD/LFR are to emphasize the fact that people are already fucking stupid enough, without being able to pay past any learning experience. Any time you have a benefit, a product of work, and two people work with two levels of difficulty is an imbalance. A player needs to spend 2-3 days of intensive grinding (non-stop) to get to max level, whereas someone who pays for it gets there immediately. Two people get the same result, but have very different levels of work. This is fucked up (as per my first post, and elaborated in my second one).

I think you are giving way too much credit to the players in WoW. There are a lot of really fucking stupid players that cannot understand the basics of a rotation. I was also the main recruiter for my guild, and I hand selected every member that joined my guild... Nothing destroys your faith in people faster than taking up that role. So maybe I am negatively skewed, but I was also a tank that guided most groups, and people who cannot understand a concept like /follow just need to be beaten to death with a fucking brick.

I take a moral stance against this on the grounds that equal work deserves equal reward, and that getting to level 90 is a reward for a few day's work.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jumping from 1-90 is not really a benefit in WoW anymore. It is either a hassle for a new alt or something separating a new player from playing with his friends who are already on the server. It's not something that can give a competitive advantage to one player over another or something that can be remotely construed as paying to win.

Even getting a Death Knight or whatever when you hit 55 results in truly fricken awful Death Knights (I was one of them - couldn't be bothered to invest any more time in learning from scratch so stopped playing) ... I can't imagine what people who ground their way to 90 will think of a while bunch of totally clueless lvl 90s running around!

Regards,
Mg

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even getting a Death Knight or whatever when you hit 55 results in truly fricken awful Death Knights (I was one of them - couldn't be bothered to invest any more time in learning from scratch so stopped playing) ... I can't imagine what people who ground their way to 90 will think of a while bunch of totally clueless lvl 90s running around!

Regards,
Mg

Seriously. Do dungeons from 1-90 to level up, and you'll notice a huge slump when you hit 58 dungeons (early BC, late vanilla) of all the bad DKs. You can really feel how bad it gets. This is what level 90 will be like, lol. And with brand new content? Holy shit.

[Uteunayr]

Your awesome gif sig is knocked out of the way by the quote.

[SamwiseRed]

people still played this after vanilla?

[Gadwen]

Don't EQ and EQ2 also offer this service now? or at least plan on offering it soon?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Gadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't EQ and EQ2 also offer this service now? or at least plan on offering it soon?

If Blizzard can introduce it, most likely everyone else will follow. Levels of scumbaggery in gaming companies are reaching new lows.

[Bamz4l]

ya watch this be the next pre-order bonus for some games