A Sickness With No Cure

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This + Checkraise is the fakest person on the server + I know Checkraise will end up back in Nihilum. Quote it.

lol fakest? On the whole server? Thanks for the tip daddyo!

Just lol @ the higher ups over at the azrael loot council

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Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This + Checkraise is the fakest person on the server + I know Checkraise will end up back in Nihilum. Quote it.

Coming from the person who tried the hardest to mooch off each Nihilum member that left(stasis, and twainz both gave you more then you deserved ie string clickys for badger numba #1 cleric box anyone?) epic MQs etc, allowed azrael to go from 1 epic to 3 epic bards 4 including Twainz(who gave you so much that you now call 'scum' to make yourself feel better cause he rejoined nihilum?). Then when Checkraise left Nihilum you were so anxious to get dem epic MQs from him no matter what the cost, you knew the longer you waited he would hold out or not see the game your way(by the making of new red dawn he obviously didn't). Even let Checkraise roll on a NoS thinking it would befriend him and get him on the nihi loot train MQ you thought he was gonna shower more characters you can login.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Barladore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The truth is the majority of azrael virtually quit around the time Red Dawn was picking up steam. Lite was playing casually at best and anyone that was left over was forced to either join RD or nihilum if they wanted any part of Red99 end game. Azrael's stance was that without variance or simulated patch days there was no point in trying to fight the massive numbers nihilum had on repop day. From there the 10-15 actives that were left began raiding and pvping with red dawn, which most of us enjoyed. Personally I found the DKP system well done and the guild well organized. Regardless of this, many if not all of these azrael's (who were now rolling with RD) still were holding out for an azrael researgeance, be it, in velious or simulated repops. The mentality of azrael players has always been to keep a tight knit crew of skilled pvpers to contest where possible. None of us hate HB, or anyone in Red Dawn for that matter. The reason for us leaving has absolutely nothing to do with nihilum or Red dawn. Azrael as a guild enjoy fighting with smaller numbers, we love the fact that there are 3 active guilds, we love the fact that there is more pvp now than ever. For anyone in RD that feels sleighted by this, dont be, we have nothing against the guild, we just prefer a smaller guild. For many of us, raiding with 40+, especially in kunark is not our idea of a good time. To ad to the 10-15 that left RD, about 25 more came back since simulated repops were added. Azrael was never "poaching" members, the azrael you see now have all either been in azrael at one point or they came on their own accord. Personally, I'd rather get no dragons than have nihilum let me have dragons. Thats not a shot at RD leadership, just the way I feel. Anyone that left RD, probably felt the same.

You literally just said that Azrael used another guild to continue getting loot without telling a soul that was their intention all along, and to not be bothered by it. I just said it in one sentence for you.

Did anyone else not get that from your paragraph? You're trying to explain what happened away and make your side understood and seem validated. You used us, pal. Your foot was halfway in and halfway out the entire time.

The fact that your entire guild is wholeheartedly denying that you're trying to extract numbers from us while your guild leader simultaneously has said (and still is saying regularly) in no uncertain terms that our members are going to be in Azrael regardless of what we want is astonishing to me. Your intent is absolutely to poach our members. You guys are still riding the high emotion train of "dethrone Nihilum," and you show it daily on these boards, and in ooc, with how often you talk about it. If it didn't bother you guys, you wouldn't blow up the forums. I'm perfectly content letting Azrael die again, even making that death as expeditious as possible.

You told no one you had a problem with the guild, and you just left out of the blue. It wasn't just another poorly mismanaged/ impetuous decision. It was premeditated - from the beginning.

Can't you dudes just be honest about what it was? Let's not dance around it.

[s1ckness]

Originally Posted by Barladore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The truth is the majority of azrael virtually quit around the time Red Dawn was picking up steam. Lite was playing casually at best and anyone that was left over was forced to either join RD or nihilum if they wanted any part of Red99 end game. Azrael's stance was that without variance or simulated patch days there was no point in trying to fight the massive numbers nihilum had on repop day. From there the 10-15 actives that were left began raiding and pvping with red dawn, which most of us enjoyed. Personally I found the DKP system well done and the guild well organized. Regardless of this, many if not all of these azrael's (who were now rolling with RD) still were holding out for an azrael researgeance, be it, in velious or simulated repops. The mentality of azrael players has always been to keep a tight knit crew of skilled pvpers to contest where possible. None of us hate HB, or anyone in Red Dawn for that matter. The reason for us leaving has absolutely nothing to do with nihilum or Red dawn. Azrael as a guild enjoy fighting with smaller numbers, we love the fact that there are 3 active guilds, we love the fact that there is more pvp now than ever. For anyone in RD that feels sleighted by this, dont be, we have nothing against the guild, we just prefer a smaller guild. For many of us, raiding with 40+, especially in kunark is not our idea of a good time. To ad to the 10-15 that left RD, about 25 more came back since simulated repops were added. Azrael was never "poaching" members, the azrael you see now have all either been in azrael at one point or they came on their own accord. Personally, I'd rather get no dragons than have nihilum let me have dragons. Thats not a shot at RD leadership, just the way I feel. Anyone that left RD, probably felt the same.

okay , you can tell someone has no idea whats going on when they say stuff like this

for one.. Lite has been calling RD members on the phone trying to recruite them.. hes sent a tell to almost everyone in RD trying to get them to jumpship..

raiding with 40+? you guys didnt mind it when getting sky belts.. saw you guys only at 40+ sky raids and lets not forget you guys just raided with almost 40 this week.

so not sure if troll or serious

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Took me 5 seconds, Didn't have to dig through anything. Took me longer to type this post in fact.

[Colgate]

you realize heartbrand has flip flopped more than anyone else on the entire server, right?

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you realize heartbrand has flip flopped more than anyone else on the entire server, right?

i suppose that validates it

[Not_Kazowi]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you realize heartbrand has flip flopped more than anyone else on the entire server, right?

Maybe he has but it doesn't negate the fact he's put a lot of effort and heart into RD

[vouss]

There has been a lot of talk about poaching members from Red Dawn that has yet to be addressed. When Azrael started up again one of our top priorities was to NOT do that. We only invited with us people who were part of Azraels 1-14. As checkraise pointed out a couple times, it was through text messages and the sort... that was the Azrael batphone.

Anyone that has joined us since the Plane Of Fear incident has not been poached from RD... they left on their own accord over the fact Checkraise went ahead and formed an alliance with Nihilum before asking anyone in the guild. People willing to drop a month or two of investment, DKP and pals to avoid playing with the most toxic players on the server, have some integrity. We here at Azrael like that in a person.

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re-pop day, azrael had 24 people, red dawn had 40. Sorry you guys couldn't get anything done! @ Hippo

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by vouss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

re-pop day, azrael had 24 people, red dawn had 40. Sorry you guys couldn't get anything done! @ Hippo

Well whatever happened things are playing right into Nihilum's hands. Basically holding RD hand while trying to destroy Azrael. The second Azrael isn't around Nihilum will turn on RD. I don't see RD having much of a choice and Azrael is acting as expected playing into Nihilum's favor. Once again Nihilum is laughing at rest of server as the "resistance" turns on each other.

The second RD gets big enough and repops come a chunk of the guild splits off to make their own guild and then gripes they don't get support. It literally makes 0 sense. You can't split from a guild, tell them to team up with you and when it comes to crunch time get slaughtered by your own "allies" and get nothing. Basically expecting another guild to do your dirty work and then let Azrael's loot council decide who with their guild tag receives loots.

I don't think anyone doubts Azrael has some fire power but someone does need to think for them. And when they make their own decisions and go their own way the resistance suffers. I don't even think they understand why or what is happening.