Game Mechanics: Proximity Aggro

[Nirgon]

I didn't xp at all in crush bone on live, ever. So I'll withhold comment on that zone.

However, I do know rezzes in Seb/Fear/Hate/Sky/Tov/Kael/Karnor/PoG we'd be asking a cleric if it was safe, being told when it was not safe etc to take the res. To deny this was ever the case... well how could you forget that much.

It wasn't as specific as just planar or kael mobs, (narrowing down the list) it wasn't just as specific as seb/karnor mobs... so that easily leads me to believe we can start with any factioned NPC given the variables in play.

If we have to narrow it down to planar mobs and npcs with rampage so they will function correctly... I'll even go down that far, fine.

I'm still clinging hard to factioned NPCs. Further, the post above submitted in refutal does prove NPCs had this ability:

Originally Posted by Skydash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

level of hate .... in the awareness range, but hadn't done anything to really upset the creature such as damage it or heal its foe.

And the next patch:
"Fixed a bug that would cause NPCs to add too much "temporary hate" when a player would sit down in front of them."

I did sit on a Vindi kill after blowing my mana and Vindi was 30% hp and got killed being lazy on a pug raid. That I would agree was an instance of too much sitting aggro. However, being in the line of the pull and sitting... you should get smoked.

I'm very aware this makes rezzing into hostile fights harder and that functional rampage can be devastating. Sorry for that I guess.

I'd be asking Nilbog or whoever is interested in giving the NPCs a little more brains and getting rampage to work what else they need to prove this, what they are willing to do etc before they will accept what is here as something that needs to be implemented.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I do know rezzes in Seb/Fear/Hate/Sky/Tov/Kael/Karnor/PoG we'd be asking a cleric if it was safe, being told when it was not safe etc to take the res. To deny this was ever the case... well how could you forget that much.

No one is disputing this. However, there seems to be a claim by some people that every mob should behave that way.

[Nirgon]

Some people being me.. I'd claim every factioned npc with the exception being "few that don't" as opposed to "few that do".


I'd also be curious to know how Fansy's (excuse to link this http://www.notacult.com/fansy2.htm) sand giant trains were possible (they happened) given what some people are saying.

My buddy LJ scampered out just in time. The ogres got squished.

[Fri Jul 06 22:41:52 2001] Your feet move faster.
[Fri Jul 06 22:41:55 2001] You shout, 'Welcome, You've Got Mail!'
[Fri Jul 06 22:41:58 2001] A sand giant slashes Emotionless for 88 points of damage.
[Fri Jul 06 22:41:58 2001] A sand giant hits Emotionless for 94 points of damage.
[Fri Jul 06 22:41:58 2001] Emotionless has been slain by a sand giant!
[Fri Jul 06 22:41:58 2001] Your feet move faster.
[Fri Jul 06 22:42:14 2001] You shout, 'Giants love the good guys! Hooray!'

Add giants to current undead script.

Give proxy aggro hate list addition to all factioned NPCs.

[koros]

I gotta agree with you on this one 100%. Although, I have to do a bit more research, I'm pretty sure undead just got a static +proximity aggro modifier. If you took an undead mob to 97% and ran it by someone, it would aggro on them. If you took it to 40% and ran it by someone it would still chase you.

I remember many many times having someone run a mob or a group of mobs past me, that were not undead/giants/etc, that would late come kick my ass if they died.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people being me.. I'd claim every factioned npc with the exception being "few that don't" as opposed to "few that do".


I'd also be curious to know how Fansy's (excuse to link this http://www.notacult.com/fansy2.htm) sand giant trains were possible (they happened) given what some people are saying.






Add giants to current undead script.

Give proxy aggro hate list addition to all factioned NPCs.

I didn't even know there could be that many SGs up in Oasis.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't even know there could be that many SGs up in Oasis.

We went over that with Nilbog, it is possible here too.


As far as the faction hit, by proxy wasn't enough to do the job.

Reason for this: when we did faction groups, AFK people couldn't just sit there and suck in faction.

So that's a good point to make.

[Nirgon]

Yah that's true and a really good point Koros: if you get enough threat on non-faction undead/giants it wouldn't transfer off until you zoned. You could also snipe aggro off the warrior if you spammed nukes on it.

Definitely has a thresh hold for what "mode" it will go into for non-factioned undead/giant.

I guess much like how "rooted" changes behavior.

Good stuff, but I'd bump that in the Kanras thread or make a new one.

Definitely trying to keep this full steam ahead/solely focused on proxy additions for factioned npcs for now.

[Jaxon]

If proximity aggro places a PC on a NPCs hatelist, it follows that those PCs would receive faction hits upon the mob's death. Was getting a "mystery faction hit" for merely standing close to these NPCs something that ever happened on live during this era?

[Nirgon]

PC wont add to hate list because it fails faction check.

No way to take a faction hit if you aren't on hate list.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PC wont add to hate list because it fails faction check.

No way to take a faction hit if you aren't on hate list.

Doesn't make sense Nirgon. If you can get aggro/remembered by the mob via someone running it by you, then you'd definitely be on the hate list.