Guys, TMO is still killing dragons...

[Gnomersy]

Originally Posted by reborn649 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You got your fair shot with the new raid rules, so thats not the problem here. The problem is there is some "gray" area in the rules that the GM's have not spoke up on. According to the way most of the server has interpreted those rules, other than the BDA versus Trakanon scenario, it has worked. If GM's arent speaking up after being so heavily involved with the raid-rule agreement to begin with, than they must think its working. Until someone else is randomly banned (yibz for example), we unfortunately dont have a clear answer and remain in the gray area. Unless it is a BLATANT disregard for the rules, which I haven't saw yet except for the BDA/Trakanon scenario, I think most guilds are trying to follow the PnP as close as possible.

How is it blatantly different?? Iirc from juggs 1 to trak is longer run than zone line to VS

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by reborn649 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You got your fair shot with the new raid rules, so thats not the problem here. The problem is there is some "gray" area in the rules that the GM's have not spoke up on. According to the way most of the server has interpreted those rules, other than the BDA versus Trakanon scenario, it has worked. If GM's arent speaking up after being so heavily involved with the raid-rule agreement to begin with, than they must think its working. Until someone else is randomly banned (yibz for example), we unfortunately dont have a clear answer and remain in the gray area. Unless it is a BLATANT disregard for the rules, which I haven't saw yet except for the BDA/Trakanon scenario, I think most guilds are trying to follow the PnP as close as possible.

You're right about GMs needing to specify the gray area. This mainly stems from the difference in mentality when it comes to the raid scene between the "casuals" and the "hardcore". The class R guilds are always erring on the side of caution when it comes to bending the rules. They don't want to piss off the GMs and get raid banned. They're trying to follow the PNP rules and lawyer as little as possible. On the other hand, the class C guilds are constantly brainstorming ways to bend the rules and work around the PNP and new raid policies.

Class C guilds make create the grey areas. I really wish class C wouldn't constantly be bending the rules so GMs didn't have to intervene and give rulings every time a mob died. Wouldn't it be great if we could just log in and race each other when a mob spawned? No stalling, no socking, no rule bending or lawyering, just all log in at the same spot and race. O well.

[Emsee]

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When we win we are clearly following the rules, when we lose someone is clearly breaking them

ftfy

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Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No longer is poopsocking sitting near the spawn point with characters logged in ready to them. This is called "being ready and prepared".

lol'd

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far what we see in this thread:

Class C guilds redefining poopsocking.

No longer is poopsocking sitting near the spawn point with characters logged in ready to them. This is called "being ready and prepared".

Sure makes sense to be ready and prepared for a 16 hour window that was given to us because WE PROMISED NOT TO POOPSOCK

Also some Class C guilds are comparing Taken's 'whining about VS' directly to their Sev kill.

Well I have news for you, having 2 trackers at the spawn point who PULL the mob to the raid resembles nothing like poopsocking.

They are simply tagging a FFA mob and bringing it directly to their camp. That is called competition, as anyone had a fair shot to tag the mob.

Poopsocking in VS's room for 16 hours with the intent to stall til the raid shows up is shady and does not follow in the spirit of the PNP that was created to allow guilds actually 'race' each other for the spawn rights.

Sure next FFA VS we will have 2 additional cleric/tank teams in there. The following one another 2 more. Soon we will have 25 people parked in VS's room again.

Yay progress. You can thank the rule bending, rule lawyering Class C guilds for a better raid scene.

Can we pull VS to zone in yet? Problem solved.