Building a Mosque??? WTF

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The full verse is

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

And by the teachings is meant to be taken with:

"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing." Surah 8:61

It also loses some of it's meaning when translated to English, much like a Christian bible when compared to Septuagint text.

Grouping all of American-Islam into an extremist category is like grouping all Catholic priests into the category of child molesters. Maybe it's because I was raised Buddhist that I have a different viewpoint [and respect for all religions], but I'm just not seeing it.

The Old Testament in the King James Bible is full of similar shit. Does that make all Christians blood thirsty zealots? Should we judge all Christians by those lunatics fucks who protest soldier's funerals? No, and we shouldn't judge all Muslims but some backwards shit in their holy book either. Punish the individuals transgressors, not the people as a whole.

[Abacab niggah]

Thank Xenu I'm a scientologist!

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[eqdruid76]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Old Testament in the King James Bible is full of similar shit. Does that make all Christians blood thirsty zealots? Should we judge all Christians by those lunatics fucks who protest soldier's funerals? No, and we shouldn't judge all Muslims but some backwards shit in their holy book either. Punish the individuals transgressors, not the people as a whole.

Deep down, it sure does.

Thou shalt not kill......unless it's in the name of God, then it's fine.

Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.......except we can't agree on what day the Sabbath actually is.

Thou shalt not worship any graven images.....now turn on your televisions and send my evangelists money to heal you.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife....unless thy neighbor is Brad Pitt.

And so on...

[Erasong]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the problem is that they aren't misquoting the qu'ran. american islam IS a very different culture than the islam of the middle east. islam in its simplest form is a very passive religion about personal relationship with god in america. in the middle east those relationships are extended outward towards others. the problem is that the qu'ran can be read both ways, and (without having to misquote it) you can very easily read the qu'ran as a violent text.

i don't hate american islam...but, when someone tells you that muslim jidhadists in the middle east are misreading the qur'an they are full of shit. they aren't misreading it...go read the surah of the sword, for example, and tell me otherwise:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5

that isn't a misquote...MAYBE it isn't supposed to be taken literally in our times, but it isn't a misquote. there are many many verses that support this, too many in my opinion, to pretend that it is absent from the quran.

So does the bible dude. Its all about a modern man thinking its ok to go out and kill anyway.

Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’

Deuteronomy 20:16-17 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

and lastly. Samuel 15:18 18 And he sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.’

Extremists are Extremists. The religion doesnt matter. Just like a christian extremist arent really representing the bulk of christians worshippers, the same stands true for muslims. Dont go telling me there is no such thing as a christian extremist either. Northern Ireland much? Martin Dillion, Padraic Pearse. Not just individuals either, there are groups. Home grown right here in the United States. The Army of God, Concerned Christians, and just this year a group in detroit calling itself Hutaree was charged with conspiracy to use improvised explosive devices..sound familiar?

Im a native New Yorker. Have been all my life. 9/11 was a TRAGEDY, but to basically persecute or even associate this religion with the violence is un-american. Now im pretty liberal but in the words of my friends on the right, Guns dont kill people, people do.

[baub]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want the United States of America to wake up before it's just a footnote in a history book. "The Decline of the Great American Empire", is not a book I'd want to have to read.

All empires come to an end sooner or later. Hopefully we end up like the english, and not the romans.

Thanks in advance to China for patiently waiting their turn to step up to the plate!

[Lyssia]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

True Muslims, not the ones that misquote the Qu'ran for their own goals, are usually wonderful people. I say that we as a country you need to learn to respect more religions that don't fall under Judeo-Christianism morality. I'm hoping that they keep things positive and open some eyes, but I'm worried that the opposition is going to be too heavy. I've been by the Islamic Center in Tacoma a few times, and someone reciting Takbir and the entire crowd erupting in Allahu Akhbar is kind of inspiring. It seems more heart felt than amen, or halleluja.

Capital isn't that tough to raise, and I really don't care about their motives or intent, I just want the United States of America to wake up before it's just a footnote in a history book. "The Decline of the Great American Empire", is not a book I'd want to have to read.

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[Abacab niggah]

Originally Posted by Eternal-Elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did he get 100 million dollars in a year after waiting tables......
Why do they want to do it........
What are their intentions???.

They're doing it for the lulz most likely.

But then again is it really any different than us bombing the fuck out a 3000 year old city that contains several holy sites and places of culture relevance and popping up a McDonald's and several night clubs?

How many meccas of capitalism have we placed on the charred remains of a culture foreign to our own? Even the crusaders of old sacc'd muslim/jewish cities to raid that shit for gold and establish missionaries and trade routes

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Love it or hate it the real reason for military conflict is not vindication or righteousness it is merely economics.

and I'm lovin' it

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Abacab *****h [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're doing it for the lulz most likely.

But then again is it really any different than us bombing the fuck out a 3000 year old city that contains several holy sites and places of culture relevance and popping up a McDonald's and several night clubs?

How many meccas of capitalism have we placed on the charred remains of a culture foreign to our own? Even the crusaders of old sacc'd muslim/jewish cities to raid that shit for gold and establish missionaries and trade routes

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Love it or hate it the real reason for military conflict is not vindication or righteousness it is merely economics.

and I'm lovin' it

That picture is fucking brilliant. I hate you a little less.

[Bodeanicus]

By the way, it's not a Mosque. It's a community center with a prayer room in it. Fox will rot your brain.

[Eternal-Elf]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By the way, it's not a Mosque. It's a community center with a prayer room in it. Fox will rot your brain.

I just have a feeling that when you put a place of worship, in the middle of a place full of people that hate it.....eventually you're going to have a problem.

What happens when you get a group of people from New York that shoot the place up or something.......all out civil war is what will happen.

I don't want that.