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09-03-2010, 04:30 PM
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The "fact" that most terrorists are muslims is bullshit. Most televised terrorists are muslim, yeah probably. I'm sure there's tons of organizations in Africa that you could consider "terrorist groups" except they're killing each other instead of us so no one cares.
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09-03-2010, 04:35 PM
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09-03-2010, 07:27 PM
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When brown, Muslim men kill and oppress women = Islam!!!1! hurr derrp!! | |||
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09-03-2010, 07:34 PM
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We have laws against it. They have laws that support it. Simple. | |||
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09-03-2010, 07:48 PM
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I don't condone loss of life, but I can't readily argue against a societies' system that has worked for them for longer than the country I live in either. | |||
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09-03-2010, 07:41 PM
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To me i think "fanatic" islam is a threat. It is hugely oppressive of women, will chop your head off for saying you dont beleive in god etc etc... But there are moderate muslims, just like theres crackpots christians who bomb abortion clinics and the martin luther king type christian.
Where the buck stops for me, is when this fringe of islam is used as an excuse to perpetrate all kinds of oppression against muslims that might push them toward a more fanatic fringe of islam. Say when we bomb their weddings and kill half their family in afghanistan without so much of a OOPS! SORRY!. To me this is what the hysteria against the NY mosque represents. Using a fanatical fringe of islam to oppress the rest of muslims, and why not, every fucking brown foreigner as well, because... well, just because. | ||
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09-04-2010, 09:10 AM
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Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the main benefactor behind The Kingdom Foundation, owns a $2.3 billion stake in News Corp., according to Yahoo's John Cook, and, in turn, News Corp. purchased a $70 million stake in a Saudi media company owned by Al-Waleed in February. The guy building the mosque, and stirring up the controversy... IS OWNER OF FOX NEWS. (he is largest shareholder outside the Murdoch family) Question two.. Why would your church, want to build a community center? Im pretty sure its for the same reasons.. There are people of their faith, living in the area, who wish to have it. Supply vs Demand. Question three.. See response for question two... The mosque isnt even near ground zero.. Its in "lower manhattan" Which is a fairly large area, bigger than some entire cities.. http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reason...akes-no-sense/ http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/ar...-news/19606385 I think its best, that everyone just turn OFF FAUX NEWS. Its not really news anyway. In their broadcasting day, (according to Fox) they only have FOUR HOURS OF NEWS. The rest of the day, although presented as news, is opinions, commentary, debates and NewsTainment. They create rumors, then present those rumors as fact.. using the simple statement, "according to sources".... If you want real news, Try Therealnewsnetwork.com Or maybe BBC, PBS, or anything other than a company who's main goal isnt to inform people, but to get advertising dollars, and to make money. | |||
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09-04-2010, 09:30 AM
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its the exact same type of arguments they threw out when i pointed the finger at radical islam.
they point out that there are women who are abused in the US and then conclude that anyone, therefore, who points the finger at Iran (for example) for women's rights violations is just ethnocentric and can't see the evils in their own country. they fail to see the lop sided asymmetry between comparing women's rights violations in the US and Iran. Someone even twisted the facts by saying, in effect, "there are only 7 women scheduled to die in Iran by stoning and only 6 were killed over a three year period" compared to how many women are murdered, beaten, raped, or otherwise degraded every day in the USA. (By the way, I call bull shit on the source you cited...most of the stonings in Iran take place at a local level in rural areas. So I have real doubts about accurate numbers in any report). This type of logic fails to account for the fact that under radical muslim law a woman is essentially the property of her father and then later the property of her husband. she is denied access to education and freedom of expression even within her own home. it is enforced by the state. Anyone who wants to believe that women are better off in Iran than they are in the USA is sticking their head in the sand. Sure, not EVERY woman in the USA is better off than EVERY woman in Iran. That is hardly the point. Its gotten to the point where anytime an American looks around the world and sees something that is immoral or unjust he is called everything from ethnocentric to racist to ignorant. Sometimes, its not just some ignorant American pointing the finger at some culture he just doesn't take an interest in understanding. | ||
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