Bag Limit per Guild

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, this makes it sound like you are purposefully gaming the system.

Are you retarded or do you purposely ignore lines of text to benefit your thought process?


I said before any "new raiding policy" or system was in place, IB and FE have been raiding jointly for months.

Explain to me how we're gaming any system if we're just continuing what we did prior to any new raidin policies being implemented.


Also I'd love for one to explain to me how its not fair in terms of us skirting the system, for arguments sake.

To me, its as if when we want to be...we raid as one and split the loot accordingly.

When both sides have the numbers to do so we split up and go after different targets, any of you guys could do this with another guild.

To me it's not gaming the system more so as working together to be more successful. Isn't the whole spirit of this agreement/new policy for us to play nice together?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you retarded or do you purposely ignore lines of text to benefit your thought process?

No to both. I have made one post with one line about how your attitude comes off, don't presume to know my thought process. The fact that you were raiding together when it benefited you and apart when it benefited you before the rules changed is irrelevant. Your statement came off to me as a verbose way of saying "Yeah, what we were doing before the new raid rules is kind of shady now, but we're gonna keep doing it until we're told we cant. Y u mad brew?"

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No to both. I have made one post with one line about how your attitude comes off, don't presume to know my thought process. The fact that you were raiding together when it benefited you and apart when it benefited you before the rules changed is irrelevant. Your statement came off to me as a verbose way of saying "Yeah, what we were doing before the new raid rules is kind of shady now, but we're gonna keep doing it until we're told we cant. Y u mad brew?"

I'd suggest reading things a bit more thoroughly then.

How is two guilds jointly raiding considered shady? If anything that's the "spirit" of what EQ is all about. People working together to help eachother get shit done, why is this shady?

It was brought up during raid discussions, so the GM's are well aware that we're raiding together. You're just trying to throw wood on the fire that Geofizzle (anon troll) started by making comments like that.


Any other two guilds can raid together, its not against the rules. Make friends and form alliances. Stop crying about it here for the love of god we had enough stupidity on these forums for the last month. Do you guys seriously think the raid scene needs more changes already?

[Geofizzle]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you guys mad that we thought of it first?

Sounds alot like an ex-TMOer to me. Right guys?

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Geofizzle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds alot like an ex-TMOer to me. Right guys?

More like you're a moronic anon troll trying to stir the pot because you're pissed off no one wants to team up with your guild. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hitpoint]

I think we should be trying to remove or increase the bag limit. I have the biggest problem with a bag limit being set at 2 on repops. It does screw tmo more than anyone. And us also to a lesser extent.

On the topic of FE and IB raiding separately. Yea it gives us the chance at more loot, but it's a double edged sword too. We aren't as strong separately, and there's the potential to lose targets. For instance, FE alone wiped on gore during the first respawn and had to try again. Another guild could have had a shot. If it wasn't a class C mob, I don't remember. Also, half the people at VS or trak can mean a wipe for us. I'm just saying it's not like we're guaranteed to get double the kills. It's very risky. When FE went for Trak alone, what would have happened if we wiped? A wipe in trak lair would screw both guilds for the rest of the respawn. TMO would have a tremendous jump on us in VP or wherever.

Also, I really cannot understand why other guilds refuse to help each other for FFA spawns and stuff. Anyone can make a guild alliance. And to answer the guy who asked. When we split up, we do not share the loot from the kills. When IB kills VS it's all their loot.

Lastly, these were some of the conditions of the agreement. We were told we could choose to raid separately, and everyone agreed to that. I really don't think it's fair to go back on that, or punish us for it. If anything, bag limits should be re-examined.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On the topic of FE and IB raiding separately. Yea it gives us the chance at more loot, but it's a double edged sword too. We aren't as strong separately, and there's the potential to lose targets. For instance, FE alone wiped on gore during the first respawn and had to try again. Another guild could have had a shot. If it wasn't a class C mob, I don't remember. Also, half the people at VS or trak can mean a wipe for us. I'm just saying it's not like we're guaranteed to get double the kills. It's very risky. When FE went for Trak alone, what would have happened if we wiped? A wipe in trak lair would screw both guilds for the rest of the respawn. TMO would have a tremendous jump on us in VP or wherever.

This is irrelevant. The fact remains that you are shirking the spirit of the rule by acting as a single raiding entity the vast majority of the time and then reserving the right to be treated as two entities at the time it benefits you most. Something needs to change.

I personally am happy for the de-escalation in the raid scene overall; this situation is working against it.


Don't bother responding to Tasslehof please.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is irrelevant. The fact remains that you are shirking the spirit of the rule by acting as a single raiding entity the vast majority of the time and then reserving the right to be treated as two entities at the time it benefits you most. Something needs to change.

I personally am happy for the de-escalation in the raid scene overall; this situation is working against it.


Don't bother responding to Tasslehof please.

If this is true, why did IB/FE only kill 2 mobs(combined) on the last repop when there were a lot more up?

You're stirring shit up for no reason, and making shit up about "shirking the spirit of the rule."

Just look at it this way, we've been friendly with IB and other guilds in the past. We have used those good relations to form an alliance which benefits both guilds. You can either do the same(the logical, smart option) or keep crying about it here.

Seems pretty simple to me, there are plenty of guilds on p99. Even more guilds who wont be able to kill a single velious raid target on their own as of now, might as well start working together to practice working together ahead of time.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is irrelevant. The fact remains that you are shirking the spirit of the rule by acting as a single raiding entity the vast majority of the time and then reserving the right to be treated as two entities at the time it benefits you most. Something needs to change.

I don't think it's possible to shirk the spirit of the rule. Because we were told that we would be allowed to do this before the rules were even implemented. Plus, I think being limited to 4 max non-vp targets on a repop is pretty tame, it's not like anything egregious is happening here. The 2 mob bag limit is far more unfair, I think.

I agree that this hurts TMO more than anyone, for obvious reasons. Maybe bag limits should only apply to a raid force. So you can split in half, stay in the same guild, and both bag limits can be applied separately. This is just a stupid idea for the sake of argument. I think being a strong enough guild to kill more than one target at a time should be rewarded. I hope that you can find a solution without punishing us. And mostly, I hope that we can get the rules about bag limits amended.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe bag limits should only apply to a raid force. So you can split in half, stay in the same guild, and both bag limits can be applied separately.

I think this is a fair solution and I would be fine with this if the staff signed off. Otherwise we're stuck in a quandary of technicalities.

This issue merits resolution sooner rather than later.