Sirken+Deru v Rogean on server rules

[Derubael]

Hey Tecmos, I have a news flash for you. Every rule you've ever seen stated on Project 1999 is always subject to Staff Discretion. We reserve the right to enforce, not enforce, or completely throw out whatever we want, as all situations are fluid and changing, and no two instances are alike.

Furthermore,

Originally Posted by Rogean

Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player ..... If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action).

This would imply that unintentional trains are not subject to disciplinary action, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Rogean

Q: Will the planes be open to everyone?
A: Yes. Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild getting ready to raid Hate for some armor and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag.

This hasn't been followed on this server in years. It seems more like a suggestion anyway. Or are you saying first in force is part of this servers raid policy (as this would imply if it's suggestions were followed to the letter)

Originally Posted by Rogean

Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone.

How bout pulling aggro on someones kite? Would that be considered disrupting their raid? Kind of a grey area I suppose.


Good attempt at calling us out over nothing though. 10/10 Would probably destroy again.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Staff Discretion.

Well and good if, for example, you are called in to deal with some dispute.

It does not seem quite so well and good to me though, when Rogean exercised his discretion in a situation and then you and Sirken are all over R&F making it clear you would not have done things the same way. Maybe I just don't understand how the staff chain of command or whatever functions.

[Tecmos Deception]

/quote=Rogean]Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player ..... If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action).[/quote]

[QUOTE=Derubael;1285779]This would imply that unintentional trains are not subject to disciplinary action, wouldn't it?

[QUOTE=Derubael;1285779Would probably destroy again.[/QUOTE]

Not sure how this qualifies as destroying me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How bout pulling aggro on someones kite? Would that be considered disrupting their raid? Kind of a grey area I suppose.


Good attempt at calling us out over nothing though. 10/10 Would probably destroy again.

Cool can we suspend A-team now?

[carli]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool can we suspend A-team now?

yo fuck off

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool can we suspend A-team now?

A-Team is killing mobs. Mobs which social agro and call for help when they're low on hp.

Yibz runs a train of mobs past area where A-Team is killing.

It's somehow A-Teams fault that Yibz dragged a bunch of mobs into social agro range?

[Aaron]

RnF is crazy.

[Tecmos Deception]

Wow. Huge quoting failures [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I just don't understand

Then you shouldn't be posting.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception

Not sure how this qualifies as destroying me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thread and your arguments, not you. I wouldn't want to destroy you or anyone on A-team [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Derubael

10/10 Would probably destroy (this thread) again.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thread and your arguments, not you. I wouldn't want to destroy you or anyone on A-team [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, I know what you meant. I was pointing out that the rule plainly specifies two situations in which unintentional training gets punished (if the trainees petition it before the trainer petitions to apologize in advance, and if it happens repeatedly), but you somehow concluded unintentional trains do not get punished [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


Ah well. I'll let it go. It does doesn't seem right to see a ruling from the head honcho, then to see staff members just inches away from flat out saying "his decision was shitty, and I hope you get trained again <3" in R&F.