Noble Dojorn Timers

[-Catherin-]

Hows this:

The Guild that killed OoA last weekend and is refusing to admit to it comes forward, admits to killing it, and promises to cut it out. Then I can see about what we can do to get things back in order.

Right now you have absolutely no leg to stand on telling me that the same Guild that killed overseer last week behind everyone's backs won't just do it again. That's the rub. Get them to come forward and some GM enforcement behind the agreement in regards to the overseer and then we can look at moving forward.

[Pint]

Eventually Taken is going to have to stop hiding behind the idea of gm enforcement, the staff is busy and they have no desire to police the server any more than they already do. The last agreement was largely a success and did not require any staff involvement. Maybe someone will spaz out again in 3 weeks and kill all the overseers again but why will that matter if multiple parties benefit from the agreement before that happens? All the extra stipulations and requirements y'all are piling on is doing nothing but further stalling our progress. The only rule we need is don't kill OoA, the server staff shouldn't even have the right to tell a guild they can't kill a mob in sky if they want to, that's outrageous. If a guild doesn't want to agree to preserving OoA then just come out and own your stance, nobody is buying what you're selling.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eventually Taken is going to have to stop hiding behind the idea of gm enforcement, the staff is busy and they have no desire to police the server any more than they already do. The last agreement was largely a success and did not require any staff involvement. Maybe someone will spaz out again in 3 weeks and kill all the overseers again but why will that matter if multiple parties benefit from the agreement before that happens? All the extra stipulations and requirements y'all are piling on is doing nothing but further stalling our progress. The only rule we need is don't kill OoA, the server staff shouldn't even have the right to tell a guild they can't kill a mob in sky if they want to, that's outrageous. If a guild doesn't want to agree to preserving OoA then just come out and own your stance, nobody is buying what you're selling.

except:

we were told if we could come to an agreement that they would enforce it.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except:

we were told if we could come to an agreement that they would enforce it.

We can move forward without the staff if y'all just get on board already.

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As of this moment right now let no one claim ignorance that the OOAs are hands off and this has been fully agreed upon by everyone in the sky rotation.

The next time an OOA is killed by a guild that agreed to leave them up I'll be done with this and we'll all need to learn how to use autofire if that's even legal to use on the server. This includes Taken.

[Ella`Ella]

In light of Taken's repeated actions regarding the Overseers, TMO sees no reason to abide by the former agreement that was in place. We came to Taken yesterday with reason, suggesting that they are in a critical position to either stand down and be part of the solution by setting a precedent and not engaging or they could continue to exacerbate the problem by continuing to kill OoA's. Unfortunately, Taken chose the former.

In response, TMO will now begin keeping noble timer and engaging Noble as an FFA target and continuing on with the freeti cycle (Noble>Overseer>Hand) until further notice. We apologize in this unfortunate circumstance, but if we are to accept Taken's logic as to why they killed Overseer's than we must treat this situation in concordance to that line of rationale.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In light of Taken's repeated actions regarding the Overseers, TMO sees no reason to abide by the former agreement that was in place. We came to Taken yesterday with reason, suggesting that they are in a critical position to either stand down and be part of the solution by setting a precedent and not engaging or they could continue to exacerbate the problem by continuing to kill OoA's. Unfortunately, Taken chose the former.

In response, TMO will now begin keeping noble timer and engaging Noble as an FFA target and continuing on with the freeti cycle (Noble>Overseer>Hand) until further notice. We apologize in this unfortunate circumstance, but if we are to accept Taken's logic as to why they killed Overseer's than we must treat this situation in concordance to that line of rationale.

this makes no sense at all.

We have said from day 1 there is no agreement without players agreeing to a punishment should agreement to be broken.

but this is a great way to paint us as villains here when

TMO, the pinnacle of raiding, cant handle missing out on some Efreetis while not recognizing that a real deal, something clearly defined that holds guilds accountable is still currently not in place. Classy.

A. We did not break the original agreement, and once it was broken a new one needed to be forged with real tangible accountability ( GM enforced )
B. We left OoA up last week and then he died but no one had a shit storm about that

A couple people chimed in they wouldnt kill Overseer but still no word about support for GM punishment should deal be broken.

It is unfortunate that TMO cannot see the forest past the trees.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this makes no sense at all.

We have said from day 1 there is no agreement without players agreeing to a punishment should agreement to be broken.

but this is a great way to paint us as villains here when

TMO, the pinnacle of raiding, cant handle missing out on some Efreetis while not recognizing that a real deal, something clearly defined that holds guilds accountable is still currently not in place. Classy.

A. We did not break the original agreement, and once it was broken a new one needed to be forged with real tangible accountability ( GM enforced )
B. We left OoA up last week and then he died but no one had a shit storm about that

A couple people chimed in they wouldnt kill Overseer but still no word about support for GM punishment should deal be broken.

It is unfortunate that TMO cannot see the forest past the trees.

It's not about painting anyone a villain. We don't give a shit if it was Taken, IB, Europa of BDA (If it was BDA, I'd just make an RNF about Chest).

The fact that we didn't cry about it when the OoA died kinda evidences how little we give a shit about Nobles to any extent. But, as long as every other guild is apparently starting to treat them as FFA (at least the top tier Class-R's and IB) we might as well join the fun until something is in place.

In fact, just do this, GM's enforce no killing OoA and nobles go on FFA/Class-R/Class-C like the rest of the server.

Til that happens - happy hunting.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fact, just do this, GM's enforce no killing OoA and nobles go on FFA/Class-R/Class-C like the rest of the server.

Til that happens - happy hunting.

Now this is something I would *happily* approve of and go along with.

[Drakakade]

Divinity would supportn=, "In fact, just do this, GM's enforce no killing OoA and nobles go on FFA/Class-R/Class-C like the rest of the server."

Great idea.