Class C loses mobs on every repop?

[baramur]

Im confused tell me again why class-r can kill ffa mobs with no penalty to their rotation system yet if a class c kills a ffa mob on repop it completely alters class-c mobs. The easy fix would nust put a 1 mob ffa bag limit and let class-c compete on all class c mobs during repop. There is no logical reason tmo or fe should not be allowed to kill 4 class-c mobs on a respawn, this is what class-c wanted. Why should it matter to class-r how many class-c mobs are killed by a particular guild. All this does is FORCE class c to rotate class c mobs on repop, which is exactly opposite of what class-c is supposed to be. Make repop 1 FFA BAG LIMIT, and you solve both sides issues.

[lazcar]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im confused tell me again why class-r can kill ffa mobs with no penalty to their rotation system yet if a class c kills a ffa mob on repop it completely alters class-c mobs. The easy fix would nust put a 1 mob ffa bag limit and let class-c compete on all class c mobs during repop. There is no logical reason tmo or fe should not be allowed to kill 4 class-c mobs on a respawn, this is what class-c wanted. Why should it matter to class-r how many class-c mobs are killed by a particular guild. All this does is FORCE class c to rotate class c mobs on repop, which is exactly opposite of what class-c is supposed to be. Make repop 1 FFA BAG LIMIT, and you solve both sides issues.

Negotiations were last week bra. Should have been more reasonable during them.

[goshozal]

Class R can compete for any mob outside of VP.

Not going after the class C mobs is their choice.

[hatelore]

lol

[goshozal]

Exactly. Class R guilds can go after whatever they want. They're choosing not to compete for more pixels, because they're sticking to the freebies that class C cannot touch.

So... if R can go for C mobs but choose not to, why should C pay the penalty? Are the R guilds trying to... deny us mobs?

Where have I heard that accusation before?

[lazcar]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. Class R guilds can go after whatever they want. They're choosing not to compete for more pixels, because they're sticking to the freebies that class C cannot touch.

So... if R can go for C mobs but choose not to, why should C pay the penalty? Are the R guilds trying to... deny us mobs?

Where have I heard that accusation before?

You are not being denied anything. Class r guilds are allowed the same number of mobs on repop class c. But wait!!!! They also get vp. Lol. Lol. Deal with it.

[Troubled]

3 C guilds atm, allowed 6 targets outside VP. 6 out of 11, provided those 6 are C or FFA. What's the problem? 6 mobs + VP for 3 guilds. 5 mobs left for the rest of the server if you beat R guilds to the FFA targets. It seems fine. You don't have to take every single target that is available, every single time. You are getting the lion's share. 12 of 17. 70?ish%. Is my logic flawed or is this right?

[lazcar]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3 C guilds atm, allowed 6 targets outside VP. 6 out of 11, provided those 6 are C or FFA. What's the problem? 6 mobs + VP for 3 guilds. 5 mobs left for the rest of the server if you beat R guilds to the FFA targets. It seems fine. You don't have to take every single target that is available, every single time. You are getting the lion's share. 12 of 17. 70?ish%. Is my logic flawed or is this right?

No your logic is perfect, tmo/fe/ib that are complaining are just greedy.

[baramur]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3 C guilds atm, allowed 6 targets outside VP. 6 out of 11, provided those 6 are C or FFA. What's the problem? 6 mobs + VP for 3 guilds. 5 mobs left for the rest of the server if you beat R guilds to the FFA targets. It seems fine. You don't have to take every single target that is available, every single time. You are getting the lion's share. 12 of 17. 70?ish%. Is my logic flawed or is this right?

The issue is any class-c guild should be able to compete for any class-c mob, not restricted. There should never be a circumstance where Class-C mobs are not able to be engaged by Class-c period. The idea of the 2 classes was to divide the mobs equally among PLAY STYLES not GUILDS, yet you are justifying more mobs for R-Class on respawn because of the number of guilds. The whole point of Class-Competition was that any class-c mob would be in danger of being taken at any time, whether it be another class-c or a class-r guild. But FFA mobs are not really FFA if they take away a Class-C ability to attack a Class-c mob due to lockout. That CONTRADICTS the even playing field for Class-R and Class-C, which oddly the even share of mobs per class style is what Class-R kept preaching in raid negotiations. I never heard mention during the negotions that class-c should ever be restricted for killing class-c mobs, after all Class-R never is. You keep falling back to vp as being mobs handed to class-c, ok make them FFA all the time. See what the result would be. It is pointless arguing its simple math, the 2-mob cap makes FFA mobs not FFA for class-c cause it makes them trade on their 1/1/1 mob for a ffa, where it does not make Class-R, give up a Class-r mob to class-c, in order to kill a FFA. This would basically mean that Class-R is given more open world mobs, because they do not wish to compete in vp?

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is any class-c guild should be able to compete for any class-c mob, not restricted. There should never be a circumstance where Class-C mobs are not able to be engaged by Class-c period. The idea of the 2 classes was to divide the mobs equally among PLAY STYLES not GUILDS, yet you are justifying more mobs for R-Class on respawn because of the number of guilds. The whole point of Class-Competition was that any class-c mob would be in danger of being taken at any time, whether it be another class-c or a class-r guild. But FFA mobs are not really FFA if they take away a Class-C ability to attack a Class-c mob due to lockout. That CONTRADICTS the even playing field for Class-R and Class-C, which oddly the even share of mobs per class style is what Class-R kept preaching in raid negotiations. I never heard mention during the negotions that class-c should ever be restricted for killing class-c mobs, after all Class-R never is. You keep falling back to vp as being mobs handed to class-c, ok make them FFA all the time. See what the result would be. It is pointless arguing its simple math, the 2-mob cap makes FFA mobs not FFA for class-c cause it makes them trade on their 1/1/1 mob for a ffa, where it does not make Class-R, give up a Class-r mob to class-c, in order to kill a FFA. This would basically mean that Class-R is given more open world mobs, because they do not wish to compete in vp?

The problem with removing a bag limit on C class though, while I agree in principle, is in practice then FFA mobs will be taken out first with an agreement made in C to not touch C mobs until FFA mobs are dead, imo. Why do I think that? You did it for VP on this spawn. Why didn't anyone enter VP until good mobs outside VP were dead? The bag limit makes you weigh your decisions more heavily, while still getting the majority of the server's kills within the class C guilds.