proposed change to guild v guild PNP

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PNP on a PVP server.

This place is getting more and more fucking carebear by the day.

Just wait till first to engage and spawn rotations on hard coded teams.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just wait till first to engage and spawn rotations on hard coded teams.

Wtf is that sig I never wrote that? Did someone hack my forum account or is that a troll?

[Aenor]

BREAKING: Heartbrand has retired as P99's resident jailhouse lawyer, denies previous involvement.

[Rollbackprices]

pnp has never been complicated until r99. You fight each other until one side gives up and asks for LNS. This policy works in small and large engagements. No need to restrict re-entering combat after dying or rezing in pvp. Those are both strategies that have always been a part of eq pvp. Declaring them against the rules is nothing less than changing eq into another game.

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[DrRoach]

Originally Posted by Rollbackprices [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pnp has never been complicated until r99. You fight each other until one side gives up and asks for LNS. This policy works in small and large engagements. No need to restrict re-entering combat after dying or rezing in pvp. Those are both strategies that have always been a part of eq pvp. Declaring them against the rules is nothing less than changing eq into another game.

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WRONG

[Classic]

Originally Posted by Rollbackprices [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pnp has never been complicated until r99. You fight each other until one side gives up and asks for LNS. This policy works in small and large engagements. No need to restrict re-entering combat after dying or rezing in pvp. Those are both strategies that have always been a part of eq pvp. Declaring them against the rules is nothing less than changing eq into another game.

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[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Travo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets put aside the flaming for a bit and talk about something constructive.

the new PNP system is going well, however there are some holes when it comes to mass pvp that I believe have a simple solution. The first problem is that in mass PVP LNS is done individually and is nearly impossible to keep track of, especially when there are 50+ people on each side. The dreadlands fight had multiple violations on both sides, and it was due to the confusion that mass pvp presents, not malicious intent on the player's part.


The second issue is when a player dies to PVE during a pvp fight. By the current rules the players can rejoin the fight even when naked, and the only way to make sure they do not is to kill them naked, which is a horrible solution. This was shown in the dreadlands fight where RD wiped to Goreinare.


What i propose is a guild LNS system. No one may LNS from a mass pvp fight until a guild officer / leader / official representative calls LNS for the whole guild. Once that guild calls LNS They may not enter the zone for 1 hour EXCEPT to LNS, and cannot interfere with the other guilds activities on that mob for an hour. LNS may be called for both pvp and pve deaths. The winning guild has the choice to rez and help with the other guild's CR or just leave them to do it themselves.

Sirken said that if guild leaders agree to a change the GM's would support it, and I believe this change is needed.

Player rules for PvP over GM rules has always been the ideal setup, according to GMs. The problem, again, is the leaders of each guild coming together with a modicum of respect for each other to work out terms, hence why the current PnP exists.

Everyone knows that's the case. People complained about the rule set, players were unwilling to work it out, GMs enforced PnP. The fix for all of the problems with PvP policy has always been up to players. Nizzar knows this. Tune knows this. Every officer of a guild has enough brains to figure that out. The point is: they're unwilling.

I doubt Heartbrand has issue talking to Nizzar. You might want to consider looking to him for the next step if you're concerned with PnP. Doesn't seem like anyone on forumquest can keep from jumping at each other's throats just because of what side they're on.

Basically, if you want change, don't be a child.

If you don't want change, be the same.

[Tune]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player rules for PvP over GM rules has always been the ideal setup, according to GMs. The problem, again, is the leaders of each guild coming together with a modicum of respect for each other to work out terms, hence why the current PnP exists.

Everyone knows that's the case. People complained about the rule set, players were unwilling to work it out, GMs enforced PnP. The fix for all of the problems with PvP policy has always been up to players. Nizzar knows this. Tune knows this. Every officer of a guild has enough brains to figure that out. The point is: they're unwilling.

I doubt Heartbrand has issue talking to Nizzar. You might want to consider looking to him for the next step if you're concerned with PnP. Doesn't seem like anyone on forumquest can keep from jumping at each other's throats just because of what side they're on.

Basically, if you want change, don't be a child.

If you don't want change, be the same.

completely not true

i want whats best for the server

If asked , i will do anything that is within my power

all we have atm is 0 communication and random bannings

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

completely not true

i want whats best for the server

If asked , i will do anything that is within my power

all we have atm is 0 communication and random bannings

You literally just did exactly what I described and patently disagreed with me because I'm not Nihilum, then described exactly what I just said like 2 statements later.

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player rules for PvP over GM rules has always been the ideal setup, according to GMs. The problem, again, is the leaders of each guild coming together with a modicum of respect for each other to work out terms, hence why the current PnP exists.

Everyone knows that's the case. People complained about the rule set, players were unwilling to work it out, GMs enforced PnP. The fix for all of the problems with PvP policy has always been up to players. Nizzar knows this. Tune knows this. Every officer of a guild has enough brains to figure that out. The point is: they're unwilling.

I doubt Heartbrand has issue talking to Nizzar. You might want to consider looking to him for the next step if you're concerned with PnP. Doesn't seem like anyone on forumquest can keep from jumping at each other's throats just because of what side they're on.

Basically, if you want change, don't be a child.

If you don't want change, be the same.

Its Nizzar not wanting to talk to us about it. He said it many times on TS he wants nothing to do with Heartbrand. You need new leadership.