I am pretty sure Nihi made up their own rule pls clarify Sirken

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

Going after the dragon again was never even considered. It was known RD just wanted to have a couple clerics rez there members and log. There is some truth in this post and some bullshit. It goes both ways, I understand people on both sides are biased. The fact that there are a few of you that actually believe you are doing the right thing is frightening. The majority are ashamed or trolls that were enjoying the griefing.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going after the dragon again was never even considered. It was known RD just wanted to have a couple clerics rez there members and log. There is some truth in this post and some bullshit. It goes both ways, I understand people on both sides are biased. The fact that there are a few of you that actually believe you are doing the right thing is frightening. The majority are ashamed or trolls that were enjoying the griefing.

Your intent is meaningless to us. We don't want to leave the choice in your hands. The "right thing" is always going to be relative to which side you're on. We're trying to win, because this is a player vs player server. We're stopping the players of the opposing force from making advancements. That is why there is a PVP server in the first place.

There are actually posts on this forum from your members asking why we didn't just let you have a shot at it and leave you alone. That is what you're trying to turn this server into.

And I was one of the most vocal supporters of rezzing you guys up. There were many that argued against it. In the end Exed made the decision pretty easy, and justified it even more by logging in Hollix and taunting us over it.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your intent is meaningless to us. We don't want to leave the choice in your hands.

You camped corpses for 2 hours. I didn't say you had to leave it in the hands of RD to decide to do the right thing.

A leader that understands how to lead would take their 30 members and watch over a 20 minute corpse run while forcing everyone to forfeit, rez, and gate out without wasting both guilds time trying to belittle players with YT 1 naked corpse at a time.

It had nothing to do with zone control or stopping us from competing in any PvE. If you claim that you are clueless and listen to the trolls in your own guild too much.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

Posts like this could literally turn it around for Nihilum.

Posting jew ovens and Eldermoran math is going to take a lot more of these to undo.

Good luck in your ForumQuest.

[Kinamara]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Posts like this could literally turn it around for Nihilum.

Posting jew ovens and Eldermoran math is going to take a lot more of these to undo.

Good luck in your ForumQuest.

Tried, got trolled, started posting pictures instead :-)

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Kinamara [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tried, got trolled, started posting pictures instead :-)

You failed. Kergan succeeded.

If I'm buying any of the Nihilum is trying to get along stuff, I'm buying it from him right now.

[mrproudbeard]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

This is pretty disingenuous... PnP pretty clearly states that player agreements trump all. If RD said they were willing to scoot after you let them xp rez, there's no reason you couldn't let them do that.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by mrproudbeard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty disingenuous... PnP pretty clearly states that player agreements trump all. If RD said they were willing to scoot after you let them xp rez, there's no reason you couldn't let them do that.

Nihilum trying to use the PnP as a reason to HAVE to grief shows their ill intent or complete inability to understand basic principles. I know Nizzar has ill intent but after reading some posts like Kergan's it is clear some have the inability to understand basic principles.

[Bamz4l]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

lol... u srs? they just wanted to get their corpses rezzed and leave, which you apparently did not allow

[Zalaerian]

I can confirm Warsaint is on nihi's roster.....