Re: Raid Situation - Page 4

Jarnauga · #1 01-07-2014, 08:09 PM

BDA also raped my sister and stole my lunch.

Autotune · #2 01-07-2014, 08:08 PM

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The main issue was not how well the new raid rules treated Tier 2.

The issue was that the plans that were being discussed were vastly different from this one, then there was a 20 minute break for dinner, and all of the sudden these rules were established - which to most of us came form left field, and were nothing like hte plans we were talking about.

To be fair, this enacted ruleset was more fair to casual guilds than many other proposals, but it was really frustrating to take part in many hours of discussion and debate and proposal generation and discussion to have it all thrown away and a new, completely un-discussed plan be put into effect.

I never seen a plan enforced, just rules on repops and some general rules.

It clearly stated that guilds still needed to come up with a raiding solution for the rest of the spawned targets.

Nune · #3 01-07-2014, 08:21 PM

This is fucking stupid. 8 guilds are trying to cater to their own needs and you want 1 unanimous agreement. It isn't going to happen. You need to start drawing some lines or putting some boundaries on this that don't fuck over the guilds who were never an issue in the first place. Half of the T2 guilds never got the spawns everyone's campaigning over, but we can't do our Planar clears that we DO FOR FUN, NOT LOOT, because "certain" guilds are just going to veto everything that isn't their proposal.

This needs to be adjusted to a majority decision, not a 100% decision. If 7 out of 10 guilds agree on a proposal, than pass it. Set it in stone and lets get this moving. The other 3 can fucking not raid or fall in line. Seems pretty simple?

August · #4 01-07-2014, 08:45 PM

There are 11 mobs outside of VP. 2 of them are level 52-restricted.

They pop on average 4 times a month.

That's 44 raid mobs per month. There are at least 6 tier 2 guilds, and 3 tier 1 guilds - that's being pretty stingy

That's 9 guilds that want to compete for 44 mobs a month. That's approximately 5 mobs per guild.

Do you think it's fair to you that you only get 5 mobs a month for your guild?

Oh, you don't? Well that's fine, but keep in mind that if you take another mob, then someone else only gets 4 mobs a month. How many mobs do you think you deserve? Is it 10 mobs a month? Well then another guild gets 0 mobs a month. Do 4 guilds want 10 mobs a month? Gratz 4 mobs total for the rest of the 5 guilds.

This is an unsolvable problem on an EMU server that's been stale for too long. My numbers may not be accurate (i don't raid here) but that's the actual reality of the situation. A LOT of people can kill the mobs. A LOT of people want mobs. There are a static number of mobs per month.

No one guild can be dominant without severely cutting off access to those mobs to the rest.
No coalition of guilds can exist without everyone getting a very very thin slice of pie.

The solution is more mobs, or people being content with less.

Staff / Development are going to have to solve this problem with a coded solution. We are all arguing with each other to no great effect because the numbers behind all these solutions just don't add up.

You can put tiers on stuff, you can put restrictions on who and what can engage and in what time period, but the end result is straight up numbers.

44 Mobs a month

Clark · #5 01-07-2014, 07:41 PM

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