What is BDA doing to work towards a raid agreement?

[Handull]

Thanks Sadad for a normal answer, put that in the OP.

At Vandy, not going to quote all the Chest foot stomping, waste of time for everyone.

At Chest, you don't HAVE to make your own proposal, but without reading every thread over and over, its really hard to honestly find BDA's position on things. You can think I'm just a trolling FE scum if you want, but as someone who doesn't really care and just wants to have fun (I'm having fun exping atm), I couldn't easily find your position on raiding, other than you hate all of the GM/FE/TMO plans, which you continue to make clear.

[goshozal]

A charlatan always insists that his personal agenda coincides with the interests of the downtrodden.

[Autotune]

If you don't think changes are coming to how things are done here, I'd just ask you to look at what's happening right now with raiding. Perhaps you guys are too deep in the thick of it to realize raiding has been stopped all together and staff members are telling you they are bringing change.

This isn't sponsored by Obama.

All you guys have to do, is show that you can pick a plan and follow through with not poopsocking.

Sirken already said he would raid suspend a guild for 4 weeks and perma ban the offending trainer (First fucking offense).

Multiple staff members cited for saying variance will be reduced if poopsocking/raid target camping is obliterated.

Nilbog was in IRC asking for suggestions on how to stop alt army parking at raid targets.

So I ask again, why are you so hung up on the past raiding practices when they are being done away with when it comes to these proposals?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't think changes are coming to how things are done here, I'd just ask you to look at what's happening right now with raiding. Perhaps you guys are too deep in the thick of it to realize raiding has been stopped all together and staff members are telling you they are bringing change.

This isn't sponsored by Obama.

All you guys have to do, is show that you can pick a plan and follow through with not poopsocking.

Sirken already said he would raid suspend a guild for 4 weeks and perma ban the offending trainer (First fucking offense).

Multiple staff members cited for saying variance will be reduced if poopsocking/raid target camping is obliterated.

Nilbog was in IRC asking for suggestions on how to stop alt army parking at raid targets.

So I ask again, why are you so hung up on the past raiding practices when they are being done away with when it comes to these proposals?

i'm hung up on it because a new method is always developed, always, that's the nature of the game. So they stop socking or training, you don't think that the hardcores will find new ways to "compete" ?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm hung up on it because a new method is always developed, always, that's the nature of the game. So they stop socking or training, you don't think that the hardcores will find new ways to "compete" ?

Will probably bring in aliens.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will probably bring in aliens.

there has never not been an escalation of tactics, the most hardcore will always find a way, you can't pretend that this hasn't been the nature of the game since it started

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will probably bring in aliens.

HAHAHAHA

[YendorLootmonkey]

If one of the points of contention is guilds taking down targets they don't need to sell epic MQs, is it a possibility to turn off the ability to MQ epics?

Or to bring in the Velious changes that remove epic bottlenecks (VS Remains, etc) ahead of schedule?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm hung up on it because a new method is always developed, always, that's the nature of the game. So they stop socking or training, you don't think that the hardcores will find new ways to "compete" ?

There will always be the most efficient way to do something. However, I can assure you that if it's anything resembling rule lawyering or rule skirting that it's going to be met with the end of a nasty ban hammer.

CSR is done playing around (if people haven't noticed).

Even then, say it does happen and it's not dealt with swiftly.

You still have the option of falling back completely into your own set of targets that are outside of the FE/TMO/(IB?) guilds which still consists of the same mobs they gain.

[Handull]

as for repops, I think the best way to do things is to force the 'tier 1' guilds to clear VP before they can leave. they will all be racing for PD first, almost hands down, but forcing them to clear all 6 vp dragons before leaving will give the general server plenty of time to get to work on the rest of the mobs. if you really want to add a kill limit to that as well, I would suggest making it an "outside vp" kill limit. last repop everything was dead in about 2 hours, with maybe vox taking a little over 2 hours to kill. if you say 2-3 mob limit outside VP and put in a place nice policy (to be explained), then the VP guilds can pick up the loose trash, but won't get any of the main targets. place nice policy should be if another guild is in zone with a force, let them go first. IE TMO leaves VP once all 6 are dead and rushes out of VP into Sky through PD's room. They see Taken has 25 in zone and Dojo is still up, they give Taken first engage on Dojo, since Taken was there first, unless of course Taken had just wiped and is CRing. (speaking of which, Dojo is often missing from these raid agreements). Sure, it can happen where its not clear who was there first, and maybe then you race for fte, but gm's can enforce any guild being a dick, and they have now proven their desire to step in. to say the GM's haven't done anything in the past is a valid point, but now they have stopped all raiding, the times they are a-changin'. (this is just one idea)