Elder Scrolls Online

[odiecat99]

I also agree

[stormlord]

Meh, I think ESO - if it fails - will do so because the market for these kinds of games is near exhaustion and everybody is entrenched. It's hard to pull players from other games without cloning their game and it's hard to keep them playing if it's mostly a clone. People keep going back to their beloved bunkers where they play their favorite games and it's almost impossible to change them to liking something else. I think EQN is going in the right direction with its turn towards sandbox features because I think things are getting sour and overbaked. HOwever, I think a lot of this will be won on the social media sites and on portables and on consoles. Unless a game can be truly modern and appeal to many different audiences it's going to be shoved back in the dusty room with the cobwebs where all the entrenched gamers and doom fills the air.

On teh subject of F2p, one good thing about F2P is it allows you to test the game fairly well to see how well it runs on your system and whether it's stable or not. Still, the whole F2P thing is lame to me, since why should it be free?????? Why should someone else give me something for free, unless they think I'll keep playing and eventually spend enough money to make up for the time I spent F2P?

I think the real story behind F2P isn't playing for free but the micro-transactions. The micro-transactions are enabling these companies to make far more money from their wealthy players than they did previously. So if you have a player that's rich you can get them addicted and spending more than $15/month, more like $100/month or more. This allows you to make some of the game free to new players while also gaining more profit.

All you gotta understand is hte rich players weren't being fleeced properly before on the subscription model. Some of them boxed, but boxers are more technical and have the time for it and are fewer in number. There're a greater number of non-boxer casuals who can now be thoroughly molested. If 20% of our population has maybe 80% of the wealth then there's no need to hire a math wiz to figure out what it means.

[Grimfan]

I think EverQuest Next is going to appeal to a different kind of community all together. Personally, I really want to believe in Pantheon, Brad McQuaid's new game. But if you look at Brad's kickstarter video you start to see some issues.

It's developed in Unity. There's no problem with Unity but it's a pretty outdated engine already. It's meant to be easy to develop in and isn't really what I would consider a solid MMO engine. Then, he says, "People beg me to take today's technology and re-make EverQuest." or something like that. The issue with that is that he projects his game sometime in 2017. Brad dude, if you're expecting a game like traditional EverQuest to still be a thing in 2017... we might have some issues. You're going to be living in a world with procedurally generated content, advanced AI, and destructible terrain. MMO's with vast open worlds and brand new things to constantly explore. The competition you'll be facing in three years is going to be... the future.

I don't see him doing any sort of future proofing, and I realize that is harsh of me. I honestly think we're on this edge where we're about to get a new World of Warcraft and it might not be everything we want, but it'll be better than ESO, it will be better than WoW and all the WoW clones out there, and it will be different.

This is why my sole hope right now is for EverQuest Next. The developers have been talking, less along the lines of "Lets kill WoW!", and far more along the lines of "Lets make a game that appeals to a corner of the market, and we can make profit off of that.". SoE is now a company that, although they have betrayed us time and time again in trying to achieve the Holy Grail (look what they did to EQ and SWG to try and stop the expansion of WoW, the CU and NGE and shit), I think they have realized they can't. I think SoE has realized that if they make a great game that appeals to a small corner of the market, making some money is better than making no money.

Yeah SOE is making the future of MMO's. That's why I am excited about EQNext. They're also future proofing it in a way by allowing players to generate content. They are picking an art style that ages well into the future. They are making a lot of smart decisions but they're also making a lot of decisions that players are afraid of. If you look at their roundtables they do believe in some very traditional WoW like MMO shit like faucets and sinks. But whatever, they are really making the future and even though I'll be playing ESO, I also anticipate that I will be playing the shit out of Landmark and when Next actually comes out, I'm hoping that will just be my game for the next 10 years or whatever.

But you can tell it's making other game companies panic, EQNext, that is. It's making them re-evaluate what a future MMO will look like, and that is brilliant.

[Grubbz]

Awwwww yeah
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/new...cast-announced

Anything with kate beckinsale in it via body or voice has my endorsement =)

[citizen1080]

Oh my

[Grubbz]

Seriously....... next beta....... 48 hr marathon....... who is with me!

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Grubbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously....... next beta....... 48 hr marathon....... who is with me!

I'm out sadly...it's snowboarding season =)

[Auvdar]

Bumping this to keep all the ESO stuff (hopefully) in one thread.

I have to say, the game looks a TON better this time around. Voice acting is good. And the music is very easy on the ears.

But the combat... they really need to overhaul it. It's the most unresponsive, 'floaty' combat I've ever played in a MMO. And the terrible animations dont help anything (with the budget they have they couldn't hire motion captures?).

If they can fix the combat, I would be sold on this at this point. But it's just so downright terrible that it's hard to dredge through the game to get to the fun stuff.

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Auvdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bumping this to keep all the ESO stuff (hopefully) in one thread.

I have to say, the game looks a TON better this time around. Voice acting is good. And the music is very easy on the ears.

But the combat... they really need to overhaul it. It's the most unresponsive, 'floaty' combat I've ever played in a MMO. And the terrible animations dont help anything (with the budget they have they couldn't hire motion captures?).

If they can fix the combat, I would be sold on this at this point. But it's just so downright terrible that it's hard to dredge through the game to get to the fun stuff.

Keeping it all in one thread is dumb because there're different aspects of certain topics. Threads are a miserable way to organize the different sub-topics in a given topic and weren't made for this function.

The other thread was about the forecast ESO would be a failure in 2014 because of its sub model. In general, the thread morphed to become how ESO might or might not fail. Then it became about ESO in general. It should have just been locked or the mod should have said to stay on the subject of the thread.

I don't think a general thread about ESO is the same thing as a thread about the forecast made about it. Cramming everything into one thread means the mods are too lazy to keep people from straying.

If I want to find threads about ESO I can use the search function.

[Kayso]

Why are you shitting up the ESO thread posting about how ESO threads should be handled? Shouldn't you follow your own advice and start a separate ESO thread about what should be posted where?