All Players are Raid Suspended Until Further Notice

[Itap]

Maybe I can find a group on my warrior now

[drakelord]

All of this kind of fighting is what led to instances in the first place, which makes me a sad panda. I hate instances, but in a way I understand how they might be necessary for some zones.

[Nirgon]

Told you. The hope is Rogean disbands guilds who do not eventually comply lest the population plummet.

[Laok]

In no way do I intend this as a bash or slight to the staff. I played on live in 1999 and I played for about 11 years and this server is the most fun I've had in EQ in 10 years or so. Thank you for giving me this game. I have been in exactly the same shoes as you. The team I was a part of kept a dying game alive with new content, expansions, servers, and a community for 10 years, for free, relying on donations to keep our servers going. The thanks, even though not as loud as the grief, always made it worth doing.

A few points. Because of the delay to Velious, we aren't classic and can't ever be classic. I am getting so sick of the 3 word rebuttal, "It's not classic". The economy is screwed, the gear distribution is off, millions of plat to MQ a bard epic? How is that classic?

We have to realize that since Velious is a couple of years late, we haven't been classic for a couple of years, and MAYBE concessions to un-classicness need to be made.

[Brut]

Moreso arguing with this retarded idea in general where any guild willingly wanted this situation!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moreso arguing with this retarded idea in general where any guild willingly wanted this situation!

I have seen multiple BDA/Taken/Div people come out in support of the raid suspension, including leadership.

The suspension hurts FE/TMO far far greater than the casuals who weren't raiding shit anyways.

There wont be an agreement with this situation basically because the staff and the casuals in effect put a gun to our heads and said "Agree on something". Nothing positive can come from negotiations under duress especially when one side assumes they "hold all the cards". TMO/FE have offered 2 very very very fair plans for casual guilds, and they wholly blocked them without compromise. This is largely because of the misguided actions of the staff who seem to think that 2 very disparate groups of people will ever come to some equally beneficial agreement.

In the end, FE/TMO will likely cave to some shitty agreement that is wholly unjustified for them just to keep attrition from killing their guilds.

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have seen multiple BDA/Taken/Div people come out in support of the raid suspension, including leadership.

The suspension hurts FE/TMO far far greater than the casuals who weren't raiding shit anyways.

There wont be an agreement with this situation basically because the staff and the casuals in effect put a gun to our heads and said "Agree on something". Nothing positive can come from negotiations under duress especially when one side assumes they "hold all the cards". TMO/FE have offered 2 very very very fair plans for casual guilds, and they wholly blocked them without compromise. This is largely because of the misguided actions of the staff who seem to think that 2 very disparate groups of people will ever come to some equally beneficial agreement.

In the end, FE/TMO will likely cave to some shitty agreement that is wholly unjustified for them just to keep attrition from killing their guilds.

Neither of TMO / FE's plans were "fair" let alone "very very" so of course I disagree with GM's involving themselves in non-abusive player interaciton. If they didn't like how people responded to FTE rules and variance they shouldn't have implimented either.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Elmarnieh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neither of TMO / FE's plans were "fair" let alone "very very" so of course I disagree with GM's involving themselves in non-abusive player interaciton. If they didn't like how people responded to FTE rules and variance they shouldn't have implimented either.

How so? They were more than fair. TMO had everything to lose and casuals had everything to gain. They weren't equitable... and they shouldn't be. Fair... yep.

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How so? They were more than fair. TMO had everything to lose and casuals had everything to gain. They weren't equitable... and they shouldn't be. Fair... yep.

Fair is, by its nature, a subjective consideration. I don't see them as fair and I have no issue with non-equitable solutions as more effort deserves more availability of rewards.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How so? They were more than fair. TMO had everything to lose and casuals had everything to gain. They weren't equitable... and they shouldn't be. Fair... yep.

To be fair they should just eliminate the problem. It's not at all fair to ask volunteer staff to babysit raiders because they cannot play nice with each other. Lay out the bans, clear the queues and help players instead of mediating raid disputes.