The Deru' Plan C discussion

[YendorLootmonkey]

I don't believe VD or BDA are on trial here as shitting up the raid scene, are they? I'm not the one sitting here saying "I don't like what my guild did... I spoke out against it and they laughed at me... and that was the best I could do" am I? I am merely demonstrating to you that you DID have the power to do something about it (guildremove) and chose not to.

Believe me... if my guild was responsible for shitting up the raid scene and considered the douchebags of the server, I would resign my membership.

[falkun]

As an outsider looking in, you can see my point, Xadion. I'm not saying I need to look inside, but if it keeps happening, it still appears that whatever TMO's white knights are fighting for internally is not as important as pixels. Maybe that will change with Zagum, and I hope it does, but all I have to look at are TMO's actions of the last two+ years.

[falkun]

Now we're just escalating for the hell of it, my accusations and you defending yourself. As I said, I do not see what you've done behind TMO's boards, nor do I need to. I'm glad you act as a voice of reason for TMO. I will stop accusing *you* of not acting, but until I see wholesale changes from TMO, my opinion is based on passed actions. TMO's first action to show how they've changed can be these negotiations.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now we're just escalating for the hell of it, my accusations and you defending yourself. As I said, I do not see what you've done behind TMO's boards, nor do I need to. I'm glad you act as a voice of reason for TMO. I will stop accusing *you* of not acting, but until I see wholesale changes from TMO, my opinion is based on passed actions. TMO's first action to show how they've changed can be these negotiations.

well tmo is in a transition moment , once we figured all it i cana ctualy give u a solid opinion.

sadly or not i will keep with what xadion said, to much kunark to few mobs and in general to much forumquest.

as you notice my english is shit and i rather show things in game .

i just can hope in a future velious would offer more content to players than bicker about ec rmt and petty raidin issues .

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading the responses from most of the 'B' guilds it seems clear they have no desire to compete, push forward, strive to be better and advance. They just want mobs handed to them, they will only think of their handed mobs, no thought of working and striving forward and upward... Nope just gimmy my rotation mobs k thanks drive through

they only look at their given on a plate number of mobs, not 'oh if we use the advantages worked in the system we can advance and grow our guild!'

their reason why all this 'CHANGE' needed to happen is because they can't compete or do anything they need help! They get offered help, and they say the truth...not help, handouts are wanted...and now seemingly demanded.

its kind of sad...

Again this had been said to you 1000 times. Yo play your own form of everquest, that you are playing against yourself. EQ has never been about being camped out at a spawn waiting for a text message to log in and zerg it. Its like playing angry birds on god mode and you always win. Racequest is not a real game.

[falkun]

Just because a mob is spawned does not mean you kill it. Even TMO still wipes to Severilious, who even the "lowly" BDA and Divinity can kill. Gorenaire is hard enough (with crummy enough loot) for TMO that it's the first mob they offered for the "endangered species" list. Your argument that mobs not engaged within 5 minutes of spawning equals handouts is hollow. If mobs are handouts, then TMO's been getting handouts from the rest of the server for the last two years, especially in the 50+% of cases where no one raced you for the engage.

[Messianic]

It's not white knighting to point out that someone chose to associate with people, despite supposedly disagreeing with their wrong actions, likely because they had a better shot at loot by staying.

[Xadion]

Do you quit your job if a coworker is an asshat? Do you jump the country when you find out a politician is a crook? If you say yes, then you all should have left your own respective guilds many times over.

but normal people say no, and stay to try and make things better or to be with the good players they are friends with.

[baalzy]

What we have here folks is Walmart vs Costco.

Walmart treats everyone like scum-shit to sell them the crappiest crap they can, but because it falls within the budgets Walmart sets (via the wages they pay), people buy it. Walmart considers themselves kings because their owners pull in 50mil a day thanks to all the hard work their daddy did for them when he built the company.

Costco treats people with respect and pays respectable wages and thinks the Walmart mentality is a disgusting shit-fest and wants no part of it so they treat both their employees and their customers with respect giving low prices and high wages and have been doing so for years and years without ever resorting to the shit Walmart pulls.

Sirken is arguing the world should be dominated by Walmart, but they have to get a $0.25/hour raise as a 'compromise'.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What we have here folks is Walmart vs Costco.

Walmart treats everyone like scum-shit to sell them the crappiest crap they can, but because it falls within the budgets Walmart sets (via the wages they pay), people buy it. Walmart considers themselves kings because their owners pull in 50mil a day thanks to all the hard work their daddy did for them when he built the company.

Costco treats people with respect and pays respectable wages and thinks the Walmart mentality is a disgusting shit-fest and wants no part of it so they treat both their employees and their customers with respect giving low prices and high wages and have been doing so for years and years without ever resorting to the shit Walmart pulls.

Sirken is arguing the world should be dominated by Walmart, but they have to get a $0.25/hour raise as a 'compromise'.

This is a really shitty infusion of a subjective politicized view of economics into an error-filled understanding of how retailers function applied to the politics of a video game.

Painful to read.