Thank you "Casual Scum"

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have been able to accomplish something that nobody else has to date.

You have made the "Hardcore" raiders like TMO and FE/IB actually co-exist with each other, and actually present a united front against an opposing force. Instead of every man (guild) for themselves, its now "raiders" vs the "CARE BEAR GIVE US SOMETHING FOR NOTHING SOCIALISTIC ROTATION BASED BULLSHIT PLAYERS"... for that, I have to say thanks!

All the raid guilds have ever done... Track, Prepare, Attack. Anyone should be able to compete in that environment. You may not always win, but everyone has the same chance to compete.

Instead, we're now faced with a 2 tier raid system that seems likely to be the best implementation to make everyone "happy".

You're the same type of parents and kids that required that every child gets a participation trophy, because hey... EVERYONE should get a trophy. The Olympics are coming up, and if Russia doesn't win an event, do you think they're going to threaten to extinguish the torch until they get their medal for participation?

Track, Prepare, Attack... It's what gamers do.
whine, bitch, complain... It's what participants do.

Tier 1 = TPA
Tier 2 = WBC

Rogean taking away mai merb. Waaaaah waaaah.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have nothing useful to say!!!!

[Reguiy]

LOL. This is RNF. I thought that was the idea.

[Rhambuk]

I love your anger. It feeds me

[ripwind]

I don't recall if it was before or immediately following the CT death. We were at the north wall at the time and had the train dragged over us twice. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but a few folks ended up dead. Thankfully we were able to get rezzes and get out after camping etc.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by ripwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't recall if it was before or immediately following the CT death. We were at the north wall at the time and had the train dragged over us twice. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but a few folks ended up dead. Thankfully we were able to get rezzes and get out after camping etc.

Ah yes that happened to us as well. I think one of the people keeping the mobs away from North Wall died.Were a lot of guilds in there last night, but I can promise you one thing we did not mess with your attempt. Our raid leader gave a specific command in vent "Log out and let them attempt it". The only people that stayed in game past that command were there to monitor and get people out of the zone if you guys killed it successfully.

[Hitpoint]

I think ripwind might actually be AG instead of Taken like we assumed. But yea, we lost a kiter a couple times. Thats why we camp out periodically, so hopefully we can avoid the train returning to us. If you guys ever agro's a mob in fear and it got swept up in the train, unless you camp out it would bring the entire train back to you when the mob died. CT is a shitshow unfortunately, trains just happen sometimes. You can't micromanage every person and make sure their agro is clear.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think ripwind might actually be AG instead of Taken like we assumed. But yea, we lost a kiter a couple times. Thats why we camp out periodically, so hopefully we can avoid the train returning to us. If you guys ever agro's a mob in fear and it got swept up in the train, unless you camp out it would bring the entire train back to you when the mob died. CT is a shitshow unfortunately, trains just happen sometimes. You can't micromanage every person and make sure their agro is clear.

if the kiter dies.*

[ripwind]

Correct, I'm in AG. Not Taken. Sorry for the confusion!

Maybe we'll get a shot at it next time.

[Tasslehofp99]

Honestly, I am torn.

I started on the side of the "casual scum" which is a term I find very offensive btw! lol


Now that I'm seeing that most of these guilds are expecting mobs to just be left up for hours so they don't have to track/mobilize in a timely fashion though, I can't take their side any longer. You atleast have to show some fucking effort if you expect to experience the higher end content/loot.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% disagree with what TMO has done to this server over the last 2 years...as is made obvious by my posts from the past. I don't however think that its very fair for FE to be lumped in with TMO (we don't have a billion plat guild bank or 30 greenscales/ hundreds of other various other epic pieces banked. I also don't think its fair for guilds to expect to be able to participate in raiding content if they are unwilling to track/mobilize in under 2 hours.

2 hours is enough to form a pickup raid for any raid target in game from forums/EC tunnel and mobilize/kill that target with ease. Why can't some of these "casual raiding guilds" do this if any random joe can find 30 players to zerg a mob down and /random the loot in under 2 hours?

blah I've already more than I care to say but...

Track mobs if you wanna kill them, THAT SHIT IS CLASSIC AND HAPPENED ON LIVE SERVERS!!

I remember camping VSR for like 48 consecutive hours or more on live, and that's a spawnable fucking mob like ragefire. People tracked mobs they wanted, and they also had friends/guildies ready to mobilize the instant it spawned in many(if not all) cases otherwise the next guy got it.

I completely understand the whole anti-monopolization stance, because theres no reason for what happened here over the last 2 years or more. I just don't think removing all forms of raid competition(via whatever agreement is made) is any better for the server's health than TMO's raid scene was.


/rant off