OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[YendorLootmonkey]

1) Not sure what to think about the no poopsocking agreement. This caters to guilds with alt armies that can be logged out save 1-2 trackers. Needs something more here.

2) DA Stalling Tactics should have been completely prohibited. Maybe just 1 DA/DB/idol to eat the Trak Touch... there's no need for another 18 seconds of stalling, that's just a crutch. Either you're ready to engage when you have FTE or you aren't.

3) I would have liked to have seen "leapfrogging" addressed.

4) As has been mentioned, the penalty is too steep to enter that VP playground.

5) Noble should have had a rotation... with no variance, one guild is going to get extremely lucky to have Noble pop routinely during their sky raid every single week.

6) Guild Council is a great idea. Would like to know more about what these "sanctions" include though. Europa's going to be pissed they don't have representation. What are the objective measurements for being represented? I think the casual guilds are under-represented here for obvious reasons. Europa and Azure Guard came up in all sorts of scenarios as we talked this through, but now they're suddenly not considered raid guilds.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Category A - you state 20% is required. You realize that this means that, more than likely, only 3 guilds can stay category A at any one time? This agreement pretty much says 'We three guilds get the majority of the good mobs forever" 4 guilds means that for everyone to stay in you'd all have to be at 25%. There aren't enough targets out there for 1% granularity in these measurements. That's an incredible balancing act. At 5 guilds you'd all have to be spot on the money, which is never going to happen. Seems like this is catered towards the big 3.
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You are counting FE and IB as different guild percentages, but they will be counted as one I am guessing? That is how they have been rolling. So there are currently only 2 groups in category A at the moment TMO and FE-IB. I do not see 5 big raid guilds on this server. Just not enough devoted players for that. So still room for another 1-2 easy, if they chose to rise.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are counting FE and IB as different guild percentages, but they will be counted as one I am guessing? That is how they have been rolling. So there are currently only 2 groups in category A at the moment TMO and FE-IB. I do not see 5 big raid guilds on this server. Just not enough devoted players for that. So still room for another 1-2 easy, if they chose to rise.

If they are raiding as one entity, then they should be represented on the guild council as one entity. Not split into 2 for the purposes out outvoting casual guilds when needed.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they are raiding as one entity, then they should be represented on the guild council as one entity. Not split into 2 for the purposes out outvoting casual guilds when needed.

Yes I would agree.
If they are together they have 2 councils total , 1 from each guild?
If they are going to be raiding apart than I assume i was wrong but i doubt it.

[August]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are counting FE and IB as different guild percentages, but they will be counted as one I am guessing? That is how they have been rolling. So there are currently only 2 groups in category A at the moment TMO and FE-IB. I do not see 5 big raid guilds on this server. Just not enough devoted players for that. So still room for another 1-2 easy, if they chose to rise.

There were 3 guilds listed as Category A. i'm assuming they are all individualist. In any case, that would still leave '1' spot for a guild. It is way too easy to fall below 20% when maximum even distribution is 25%. That's a 5% margin of error.

Also, what percentage of mobs currently are taken down by TMO? If it's not less than 60% I think this server just dug itself a grave... Uncontested mobs for 3/4 of the month hot dang!.

[August]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some clarification.

no poopsocking - you are basically saying no poop socking but people are still allowed to camp alt armies in the zone waiting for pops? (which seems an awful lot like poopsocking but being able to play your alts while you wait)

Cat A & Cat B - Are Cat B guilds allowed to mobilize during the majority of the time (3/4) that Cat A guilds have claimed their prioritized mobs?

Rotations - how do the Category A guilds plan on sharing mobs? The same way they have in the past? Is not the majority of the 'upset' people FE/IB complaining that TMO gets the mobs? How are we rectifying the tension between Category A guilds?

Switching categories - Is the 40% requirement only on priority raid targets? Or is it deprioritizied as well? Seems like an extremely stiff requirement to begin with, but if they have to compete with the uberguilds for that percentage it seems impossible.

Category A - you state 20% is required. You realize that this means that, more than likely, only 3 guilds can stay category A at any one time? This agreement pretty much says 'We three guilds get the majority of the good mobs forever" 4 guilds means that for everyone to stay in you'd all have to be at 25%. There aren't enough targets out there for 1% granularity in these measurements. That's an incredible balancing act. At 5 guilds you'd all have to be spot on the money, which is never going to happen. Seems like this is catered towards the big 3.

Nice attempt, just think that the numbers need to be adjusted. Current implementation locks the server into a top-3 mentality with an extremely stiff climb to make it a top 4. Once in top 4, it is almost necessity that someone gets ejected. Replacement effects are nice, but with the ability to poopsock via alts I just don't see anything really changing here besides casuals getting thrown a bone 1 week a month.

could you please address my points? I think that several points are not clear, and I would appreciation clarification.

[Vandy]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any guild that is VP capable (makes an attempt at a dragon in VP) will be considered Category A for 90 days.

So an attempt? this seems to block guilds from event wanting to TRY VP. Why not a successful kill would move you into this category instead of just an attempt?

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Vandy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So an attempt? this seems to block guilds from event wanting to TRY VP. Why not a successful kill would move you into this category instead of just an attempt?

If you have the force to mobilize into VP and make an attempt, don't you think you're in a different category than people fawning for Draco?

[contemptor]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have the force to mobilize into VP and make an attempt, don't you think you're in a different category than people fawning for Draco?

However you want to put it, it's a punishment for attempting to zone in with you guys.

[Vandy]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have the force to mobilize into VP and make an attempt, don't you think you're in a different category than people fawning for Draco?

3 MONTHS..... seems excessive if you attempt a VP mob and can't kill it then you are pretty screwed.