OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Bossman]

Council needs to be amended to include others and sanction vote should be x-2/x vote, because "IB and FE are different guilds"

[Ella`Ella]

I would agree for FE that we will concede inny as well, but fay will remain. And, we can revisit the VP attempt to a kill.

[Ambrotos]

The only thing settle is there isn't a agreement. If you don't like it, get together and fix it. I'm still having a hard time why only 2 guilds are coming to an agreement and passing it off to the others on here as here it is do you want to agree?

Include all your counterparts and hash it out. Seems two major factions have two different ideas.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems two major factions have two different ideas.

Seems the 2 factions your looking at are Raiders and non raiders. Non raiders meaning they expect mob A up at a set time so they can log in to kill it.
You really expect a full on forum agreement between people who want to raid and people who are casual and want a rotation?
These forums are full of trolls an people who do not even care if anyone raids. So expect to see some dislike. I am guessing once the small kinks are worked out that this plan is the best out there. An will be accepted.

[Frieza_Prexus]

We're quickly approaching a point where there is no "zone of agreement."

Too many people are going to pull in different directions and there will soon be no solution that is acceptable to all parties. We're looking at another UNCLOS or the 1979 Moon Treaty.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're quickly approaching a point where there is no "zone of agreement."

Too many people are going to pull in different directions and there will soon be no solution that is acceptable to all parties. We're looking at another UNCLOS or the 1979 Moon Treaty.

I think once everyone is on the same terms (not being able to raid) perhaps we will see something more agreeable.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're quickly approaching a point where there is no "zone of agreement."

Too many people are going to pull in different directions and there will soon be no solution that is acceptable to all parties. We're looking at another UNCLOS or the 1979 Moon Treaty.

I realize you guys made this proposal in good faith, and its not unreasonable (although the title OFFICIAL PROPOSAL' is ridiculous. It should be FE/TMO OFFICIAL PROPOSAL).

I just don't think anyone is going to agree to it. BDA and Taken don't like it because a) they can't poopsock, but you guys can still log your alt armies b) if they catch a whiff of VP they get slotted into category A for 3 months and. The A-Team, Azure Guard, and Europa don't like it because we still get to batphone and track against BDA/Taken and all of the 24 hour responsiveness and watching-the-linoleum-peel tracking nonsense that that implies.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Non raiders meaning they expect mob A up at a set time so they can log in to kill it.

A lot of the "non raiders" seemed to support a bag limit, which did not imply an expectation of mob A up at a set time so they can log in to kill it at all. It implied guilds make better decisions about which mobs they really needed and allocate their quotas for the month accordingly, with full competition the way the raiders like.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of the "non raiders" seemed to support a bag limit, which did not imply an expectation of mob A up at a set time so they can log in to kill it at all. It implied guilds make better decisions about which mobs they really needed and allocate their quotas for the month accordingly, with full competition the way the raiders like.

Im more in favor of this. points systems have been suggested and I think they are by far still the best ideas. Everyone that wants "competition" still gets it. And the smaller guilds don't get ground into the dirt.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im more in favor of this. points systems have been suggested and I think they are by far still the best ideas. Everyone that wants "competition" still gets it. And the smaller guilds don't get ground into the dirt.

Agreed. Trying to fix this piece of crap proposal is a waste of time. Support a point system that encourages competition but more evenly distributes raid targets.