Game Mechanics: Necro heal recourse incorrectly dispellable

[Nirgon]

Check images above for both parties having pets tho.

Might have to try and phone in the big necro guy (think he gone till Velious tho).

Edit: PM'd the damn Defiler himself

[koros]

Explain how under any circumstances how healing your pet is going to beat a necro casting

Trudiciation for (.66 * 1100) and touch of night for (.66 * 720) while you take damage from at least one tick of the heal.

[Nirgon]

Necro without pet fighting necro with pet -> efficiency stops mattering.. other necro gets butchered. It was MUCH harder to channel a spell in pvp on live versus here.

And that damn monk pet would be serving you a big plate of interrupt/rape.

Entire goal was remove other guys pet and have your up -> win.

[koros]

Except in your scenario both pets are alive for a bit. pet is both rootable or distractable from your pet. You're not gonna win this one.

[Nirgon]

Dispel root -> pet is on your pet again killing it.

Plus? Why root an enemy pet while its trying to kill yours? 2 stationary targets fighting.

I saw lots of other necros try to dot and drain down enemies... they were left petless and dead quickly afterwards.

[koros]

So you're supposing that one necro is able to get spells off, and the other necro is not for some reason.

Total time to cast trucidation + touch of night was 5.9 + insta cast click ( 0 if they were allowed, otherwise + 2) = 11.9 - 13.9 seconds.

Somehow one necro has time to enact all these other strategies, but the direct approach of killing them and healing yourself is unfeasible? Also monk pet couldn't bash for interrupts.

[Nirgon]

Bash wasn't the only thing that interrupted back in the day.

Having a pet quad attack you was a great way to get interrupted (basically every single time) with classic channeling mechanics.

Here's another point: you aren't casting a pet with another one on you with classic channeling either. You aren't winning a 1v1 without one at that point.

(I've left channeling alone for now because it.... well its one of the last things on my list. Makes charming shit way harder... esp pets with VoG/buffed-Shissar lol.)

[koros]

The fundamental issue is this. How do you suppose you kill a necro pet in < 14 seconds without banishment of shadows?

[Nirgon]

You try to kill it as fast as possible but it came down to efficiency at the end of most fights.

With the player running out of resources first losing their pet and dying.

Hopefully the Defiler will rear his bald and very classic head.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You try to kill it as fast as possible but it came down to efficiency at the end of most fights.

With the player running out of resources first losing their pet and dying.

Hopefully the Defiler will rear his bald and very classic head.

Nirgon, it's really simple... You cannot possibly survive Trucidation + 1-2 Touch of nights being directed on you while you kill a pet with non banishment of shadows spells. You can't kill a pet with damaging spells faster those taps can be cast.

On top of that, banishment of shadows does work on pets. Which negates the pet healing thing entirely.

So this supposed airtight evidence doesn't even make sense. Either your friends memory was wrong, or players of that era had no idea how to correctly fight the botb. Either way, it's hardly evidence.

Top that with the patch notes, and every other effect of the era sans res effects being dispellable, you aren't providing much of a case.

Additionally, I had a necro and I remember dispelling it. Necros had ridiculously low hp in that era and didn't like being buffless/without lich, so it probably wasn't the most commonly used group tactic.