Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[baramur]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If guilds have had success for the last two years "just going after mobs" we wouldn't be having this conversation.

We have to limit guild intake of the mob pie. Without making a rotation, the best course of action is a point system that precludes guilds from targets so they have to choose what to go after each week.

FE/IB has had pretty good success. Taken has killed a few mobs, BDA has not done bad, but the main factor is the raid scene is a cluster fuck. Maybe a cap limit is what it takes i dunno tbh. But imho if you do a cap limit, you have to make vp a part of it, they are still raid mobs, make the upper guilds choose between a fay and a xygozz or a inny and a druushk. I don't have the answers, but best advise i can give is start simple and small and try it out and go from there, dont push for all at once or nothing thing.

[Yinikren]

VP always was going to be a part of the point limit. I am still working on my post for the main forum until we get a set of raid forums.

[Retti_]

if only u could pvp each other and had static spawns

[Retti_]

Originally Posted by Retti_ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if only u could pvp each other and had static spawns

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[baramur]

Not to pop your bubble but we sat on the trak spawn point on live, as there was no variance. Matter of fact we sat on many spawn points. You didn't need batphones we had spreadsheets with exact spawn times.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are proposing that we can't use alts or park more than one char? This is the first time I've said this since this whole thing started. People are starting to take this whole raid equality thing too far.

Essentially everyone fails to see the fine line between what is a satisfactory expected level of effort to compete and what amounts to guilds leaving mobs up for other guilds who are less motivated to kill at their convenience, which could be any amount of time...within reason.

I think any system in which certain guilds are being ruled out at certain times needs a time limit. For instance if a mob spawns and its up for over 2 hours...should be FFA. If you expect guilds to leave mobs up for days just to give another guild a shot, that's not happening most likely.

TMO and IB/FE have shown willingness to tone their intensity down, but at some point we still expect casual guilds to compete for mobs.


Ill probably get trolled for this but I'm relaying to you guys the reality of this situation. Half the raiders would support a rotation while the other half would never be open to such a thing. You guys really need to think middle ground here.


Before FE formed, it was way worse than it has been since. We were a collective of like minded individuals that were tired of seeing TMO take EVERYTHING, and we did our damn best to change what we could. Did we beat TMO? Nope! Id say they beat themselves, but we did sure give them a proper run for their money most months, despite what the forum trolls will admit. One could tell a similar narrative about TMO's rise to the top and early clashes with IB. You don't get to kill raid mobs without ANY effort, that is an unfair expectation for anyone to have.

Stop bullshitting about point systems and such complicated rule sets; realize we have a huge opportunity to make p99 a better place to play and get 'er done.

In otherwords find that middle ground, you won't get raid pixels without putting in effort. By effort I don't mean the insane lengths that we have seen TMO&FE/IB go to; but show something. You can't expect the upper guilds to let off the gas in their car if you aren't willing to upgrade from a bicycle, figuratively speaking.

I realize that the server has been ultimately oppressed for 2+ years, but a serious mistake would be to try and punish everyone who wishes to play more hours per day than you.


Make it fucking work people!


Copied from the other thread, can we stop posting the same shit across 5 threads? Pls

[JerSar]

I think that guilds who show up at a mob first should just choose a member and have them fight to the death, winning guild tag gets the FTE rights.

(But after watching some of the BotB fights that could be a mistake)

[Stinxer]

Here's a solution, go outside, see the world. Holy shit. Stop raiding so hardcore, and play it like it's a game, not your life.

[Lammy]

I think the main reason that everyone is haing a struggle here is that this went from the staff wanting people to clean up their behavior in the raid scene... To now, guilds that I've never even seen try to race for a mob, trying to make point based raIiding systems, rotations, etc. How is this not more work for GMs to keep track of?

its just like Democrats in our society, they want handouts at the expense of others and cause more work for our government.

why can't people just be happy to agree and respect others and the battlefield, without all the technical b******* .the larger guild can agree to make some concessions as far as leaving some targets up for the smaller guilds and everyone except TMO can take away something from these negotiations.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its just like Democrats in our society, they want handouts at the expense of others and cause more work for our government.

it's really not, and the more you try to propagandize the farther from the actual point you get.