Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

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Originally Posted by Stefen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Competition in EQ has always been severe. That's my point, man- you want to play EQ? That's how the game has always been. I certainly agree that guilds can be competitive without being dicks, and I'd never advocate farming unneeded content just to cockblock. Beyond that, though, if you played EQ on live, you knew what you were signing up for when you rolled a toon here: the right to COMPETE for content, not to have content handed to you. That has ALWAYS been the essence of EQ, and the ability to distinguish yourself from other players and guilds through skill and teamwork is what made this game so memorable. I think you're trying to change the rules of EQ 14+ years too late.

Nothing constructive. Wrong conversation for you to have here. That ship has sailed.

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are under the impression that IB/FE do not need loot of anything but vp dragons or something. Most need to realize 90 percent of vp loot is shit or just visual. Ya a few weapons that upgrade maybe a shield here and there or a clicky, but for the most part VP comes down to 3 or 4 items in all that are worth the whole effort. Many main charecters stlil missing VS legs, Wiz missing epics, sk's missing epics, mages missing epics, etc. FE as a guild is really trying to push for less of a monopoly and more of a chance for other guilds to get to raid high end content, but i don't see us agreeing to something that gives those guilds in the past year, while we bashed our heads against the wall competing, equal chances at raid loot. You should have to work for raid mobs, else why not just cry for istance raid mobs and give everyone spawn tokens and turn it into world of warcraft. Hey lets give everyone mercs to and multiple crypt camps where the named always spawn.

The only thing to say here is, don't spend points in VP then if it's not worth it. Otherwise, refer to the reply to the person above. FE wasn't pushing for shit besides their own loot as demonstrated when any non-TMO guild contested them in the past. You acted the same as if you were vs. people that have been destroying epics for 2 years. You are not white knights fighting to let the people of the server breathe. But we're trying to move past that. Get up to speed.

[baramur]

Could just go something ultra simple but i doubt you could get TMO/FE/IB to agree but never know.

7 day spawn = Can kill 1 of each/month
3 day spawn = can kill 3 if each/month
VP Dragons = 18combined/month

Ensures atleast 4 guilds will kill all outside vp. If any mob is up over 24 hours it becomes full race.

[baramur]

Ya was just thinking ultra simple. Which could be said as this, top 2 guilds of previous month will be required to sit out the first week of the following month. Just seems so simple and i actually believe TMO/IB/FE would agree to it, because 1 week breaks are nice, and its easy to enforce. Then the remaining guilds could come up with a way to break down the 1 free week if they felt.

[Lazie]

Ok, I know this won't be popular before I type it, but I think it is the only system that will work to solve all the problems until Velious when discussions will need to be had again. This isn't a bandaid this is a fix. The reason it will work is because it is simple and easy to follow and understand for even the outside observer.You have to move to a tier based system with as many guilds as there are. Yes rotating some of the mobs will be a part of it and the competition will be held largely at the top end of the raid mobs. The system is as follows.

Veeshan's Peak- Several rules about this zone. If you raid it Naggy and Vox is off limits to your guild. There is no 2 hour wait on spawns inside this zone. There is no rotation on this zone. It stays FFA. Track/Batphone/GET FTE/Kill.

Trakanon- Stays FFA. Track/Batphone/Get FTE/Kill. I know this is going to be one of the unpopular choices to some of the guilds. But you have to EARN your way into VP.

All other Epic piece mobs are on a tiered system which I will list.

Fay
INNY
Sev
VS
CT

If your guild wants to kill these mobs and haven't before they have to request for a spot on Fay. To move to the next mob on the rotation they must kill Fay 2 times cleanly. This will be the case for each mob on the list. You will still have to track and know when your Fay spawns. If 2 hours passes the mob becomes FFA to the entire server and you miss your spot on the rotation. Any guild that kills a FFA mob because of a missed kill by a guild retains their spot on that mobs rotation. There is a reward for knowing when the mob spawns and when 2 hours has passed if a guild fails to mobilize in the time given. If your guild misses the mob 2 times on the rotation you lose your spot on that mobs rotation.

Draco/Maestro/Gore/Tal- all stay FFA. Track it/Batphone it/Mobilize/Kill them

Naggy/Vox- My ideal solution for these 2 would be Weekly serverwide raids for guilds not competing for Mobs in VP. When they are found up. Shout it in EC/Post it on the forums and anyone wanting to participate in the kills get to Solb/Permafrost. That however is up to the guilds not competing in VP to decide. However I think some of the funnest raids I attended when I started playing EQ were the ones people threw together and complete strangers came together to get the mob killed. Would be a nice weekly event for the server.

[Tasslehofp99]

Why has no one specifically brought up CT yet ?


I think this is the most broken encounter p99 offers. Kiting all of fear should be considered raid interference. First guild in fear clearing mobs should get the first unimpeded attempt, if it is carried out in a reasonable amount of time.

Don't try to tell me guilds kited all of fear on live either, ill know you're lying then.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why has no one specifically brought up CT yet ?


I think this is the most broken encounter p99 offers. Kiting all of fear should be considered raid interference. First guild in fear clearing mobs should get the first unimpeded attempt, if it is carried out in a reasonable amount of time.

Don't try to tell me guilds kited all of fear on live either, ill know you're lying then.

But seriously, this...

[Fael]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But seriously, this...

CT fear kites are my favorite encounter!

Don't take it away from me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dolic

[Joroz]

Tiered system is shit...

Why have special rules for all the trash raid mobs.

Yet leave the rules the same as now for anything that is worth killing? (epic/key mobs)

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tiered system is shit...

Why have special rules for all the trash raid mobs.

Yet leave the rules the same as now for anything that is worth killing? (epic/key mobs)

? huh...The mobs that drop the epic pieces are the ones being rotated. Bards will still need a Trak kill and be lucky on the drop to finish their epic. Red Scales drop off several mobs like Ragefire,Naggy, and Talendor so they are accessable via different paths. White Scales drop off Vox and Gore so you have ways of earning a scale.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

? huh...The mobs that drop the epic pieces are the ones being rotated. Bards will still need a Trak kill and be lucky on the drop to finish their epic. Red Scales drop off several mobs like Ragefire,Naggy, and Talendor so they are accessable via different paths. White Scales drop off Vox and Gore so you have ways of earning a scale.

Every proposed tier system so far is about follow these rules for this mob but not on this one cause it has more value to this guild... agreement needs to present opportunities instead of continuing to promote who can park enough toons at all the "high" priority targets and log them in for 5 minutes at any given notice to kill a raid mob, get the loot on a toon that will... gasp be logged out at another raid target and never actually played. Gearing toons to camp out to get more gear for toons to camp out... see where this is going... camping out a mob isn't raiding... its called being an asshole.