Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested - Page 34

quido · #1 12-28-2013, 02:20 AM

Do people actually read what is said? I'm having words put into my mouth for the third time in the last little while.

I'm starting to think this open discussion is pointless. I'm looking forward to discussing the issues with actual guild leaderships in a closed setting.

If you want to criticize anything I've suggested, make sure I actually said it. If you don't like the figures, come up with a counter-offer. Most of what's being said here is rhetoric.

Troubled · #2 12-28-2013, 02:25 AM

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Do people actually read what is said? I'm having words put into my mouth for the third time in the last little while.

I'm starting to think this open discussion is pointless. I'm looking forward to discussing the issues with actual guild leaderships in a closed setting.

If you want to criticize anything I've suggested, make sure I actually said it. If you don't like the figures, come up with a counter-offer. Most of what's being said here is rhetoric.

If that's directed at me, I'm sorry if you think I'm putting words into your mouth. Please repost what you actually said, concisely. And you can bet I'll be there in a closed setting as well.

quido · #3 12-28-2013, 02:29 AM

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If that's directed at me

So far it's only been directed towards Yendor, Anthrax, and Yinikren. Just to clear that up.

Kope · #4 12-28-2013, 02:22 AM

Maybe the main posters in here should cool down for a few days, you guys have made your points clear and it's not helping to rehash the same points over and over and devolving the discussion.

This isn't about the top, or the bottom, this is about the community of p99 coming to a non toxic consensus about how to do the raidscene.

I know Divinity is currently working on their official response, and I assume the other smaller guilds are doing the same.

If we keep diluting this discussion down with the same posts over and over it's not going to be as constructive as it should be.

Please give everyone a chance to add their opinions into it so we can come to a generalized and liked consensus, not only the hardcore and not only the casuals.

Bossman · #5 12-28-2013, 02:16 AM

It wouldn't be everybody had an even shot consider there are really only two guilds that are VP capable (the loot that is still relevant to you). Stop trying to loot whore and block epics

Bossman · #6 12-28-2013, 02:19 AM

Lower the point requirement for VP dragons, don't issue different point totals to each guild

Retti_ · #7 12-28-2013, 02:21 AM

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toosweet · #8 12-28-2013, 02:25 AM

You need to keep this simple.
point systems-raid dates-non raid weeks-full rotations are just messy and to much to deal with.

The 2 hour thing seems to work well, add in the pnp when 2 guilds get to a boss at the same time and things will be ok on p99
Guilds who do a little work with some tracking will be rewarded with a shot at bosses for their effort, I dont think any raid guild wants welfare loot do they?

Keep it simple...too many chefs spoil the soup

Troubled · #9 12-28-2013, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by toosweet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to keep this simple.
point systems-raid dates-non raid weeks-full rotations are just messy and to much to deal with.

The 2 hour thing seems to work well, add in the pnp when 2 guilds get to a boss at the same time and things will be ok on p99
Guilds who do a little work with some tracking will be rewarded with a shot at bosses for their effort, I dont think any raid guild wants welfare loot do they?

Keep it simple...too many chefs spoil the soup

Leads to 2 guild rotation. Not good for anyone but 2 guilds. Soup's for all. Everyone's hungry. Point system can work. Not that difficult to keep track of. Not very messy. It's gained plenty of momentum. Let's run with it and see what we can get as an end result.

Autotune · #10 12-28-2013, 02:42 AM

putting guilds into hardcore and softcore is a temp patch and everyone knows it. It leaves no room for guilds to bridge the gap. It's no different that what TMO has suggested before, "We leave mobs up and as long as our 'competition' doesn't mess with it then we are okay with it."

Everyone should be on equal footing whenever they want to be, the only limit should be to make sure no guild can monopolize the raid targets.