Nihilum Bluebies

[Holey]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't make that thread, and don't support that. But let's be real, the numbers for the main mobs are in your favor. I'm not saying it's unfair, it's just a fact. Shrug. The book is stacked against new guilds here. It's a ghost town to roll on this server, it's almost impossible to level a melee without extensive assistance, you get griefed by twinks etc., and if you finally make it to 52 you get groups of 60's porting on top of you. Meanwhile you're still losing members to Nihilum in the process. But, we will keep trying to persevere. I'm not one to back down from a challenge, and to me, it's a lot more fun to be on this side than the other.

I HEARD ya wherer talking shit.
i left red dawn alone until i got the green light.
i mean yall were doing good, but now its greenlight to massive murder.

[heartbrand]

How's your nihilum app going?

[heartbrand]

I had a like six paragraph response typed up until I realized that debating with you is about as productive as a Jason Kidd coached team.

[heartbrand]

Supreme basically epitomizes everything that is frustrating about nihilum. It's the false sainthood and white knighting that drives people mad, especially the complete 180s, even on their internal forums.

Example: while sektor was with force and bought saidin, nizzar relentlessly attacked him for RMT on these forums and forced twainz ( guilded nihilum at the time ) to procur the western union receipt from his roommate saidin showing the transaction. Then when sektor later apps, his RMT is dismissed as not a big deal on his app thread, and he is defended on these boards against the now "baseless accusations" by nihilum members. Lol you kidding me? If you don't want to throw your guildy under the bus that's fine, but don't piss on us and tell us it's not raining by claiming he didn't RMT. Just don't say anything

Example: You berate me in your post for "exploiting" bolts in guk. Where did I learn this from? From your guildie gurilla! It was also used by minie repeatedly during pvp. Again, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

Example: nizzar frequently calls out lite for boxing (which he does and is dumb for doing). Meanwhile look at the boxers in nihilum from day one just off the top of my head: Lewis (guilded a second time while known to box), Bruuce, sektor (still guilded), tune(still guilded), qazzaz (still guilded), killjoy aka ghost (still guilded), could prolly go on for another twenty names with a roster in front of me. Again, it's insincere to have a campaign against boxing on the forums when you have currently guilded members boxing who you won't take action against.

Example: calling out "toxic" ooc behavior of players while having glyph / bulletproof / Strydur / extreme guilded known for racist comments, RL threats, etc. If you won't do anything about those people how can we take you serious when you call out others for toxic behavior?

Example: Calling out azrael for unrest twinks when Strydur has an unrest rogue twink wrecking Havock.

Example: calling out azrael for griefing when you have people like Samuell / HPT / Strydur / tune who even when we were at peace did nothing but farm lowbies.

You have to clean up your own house before worrying about other peoples homes. The only difference between nihilum and red dawn is that I have vowed to clean my house when bad conduct is brought to my attention. Somehow because we did one joint sky raid three weeks ago with scene azrael members we are now all guilty of their actions or something to that effect, even though we haven't co raided since, and don't plan on doing so. Lol ok? Red Dawn doesn't view anyone as KoS, so yes, you will see us grouped at times for exp with azrael or fair fighters or yes even nihilum at times. That isn't because we've allied with those guilds or espouse their views, but because we don't feel the need to go full retard on everyone based on tag. (Kind of like how buying Chinese made goods doesn't make you a godless commie). I'm not sure why that's so difficult to comprehend.

In closing, there's good and bad players in all guilds, but I try my best when proof is offered to remove the bad ones, regardless of what they offer in pve/pvp. Some people removed already based on posts are: Burhnin / prplgrpz / hateraid / together / gaffin / ebtcard, amongst many others. I take it seriously.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Supreme basically epitomizes everything that is frustrating about nihilum. It's the false sainthood and white knighting that drives people mad, especially the complete 180s, even on their internal forums.

It is the simple logic that drives people mad..especially the kids when they cant have it their way and are confronted with it. Manipulation 101, make the issue so complicated that by result it becomes unenforceable and left for misinterpretation and abuse.

Ambulance chasing lawyers are a good example of this.

Example: while sektor was with force and bought saidin, nizzar relentlessly attacked him for RMT on these forums and forced twainz ( guilded nihilum at the time ) to procur the western union receipt from his roommate saidin showing the transaction. Then when sektor later apps, his RMT is dismissed as not a big deal on his app thread, and he is defended on these boards against the now "baseless accusations" by nihilum members. Lol you kidding me? If you don't want to throw your guildy under the bus that's fine, but don't piss on us and tell us it's not raining by claiming he didn't RMT. Just don't say anything

So because there was proof that it happened and the GMs decided to do nothing Nihilum must then reject his application? By that rationale then we should not have given you a chance either. You know we should hold your past against you FOREVER and never give you an opportunity to prove yourself.

Example: You berate me in your post for "exploiting" bolts in guk. Where did I learn this from? From your guildie gurilla! It was also used by minie repeatedly during pvp. Again, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

Because you saw someone else do it, knowing it was an exploit, then your actions become justified? You are a lawyer...tell me would that carry defense in criminal court?

Only if you are about to win the Heisman i guess.

Example: nizzar frequently calls out lite for boxing (which he does and is dumb for doing). Meanwhile look at the boxers in nihilum from day one just off the top of my head: Lewis (guilded a second time while known to box), Bruuce, sektor (still guilded), tune(still guilded), qazzaz (still guilded), killjoy aka ghost (still guilded), could prolly go on for another twenty names with a roster in front of me. Again, it's insincere to have a campaign against boxing on the forums when you have currently guilded members boxing who you won't take action against.

This is not true. Nizzar does take result with people that box because it puts Nihilum at liability. When someone gets banned for boxing all the items are not only LOST but must now be replaced. This leads to more needless farming of content that burns people out to start with. You were in Nihilum when something like this would happen..and i never saw Nizzar give sympathy for ANYONE banned for boxing. Infact my ears still remember him saying (in his French accent) "well you are fucking retarded for boxing".

Example: calling out "toxic" ooc behavior of players while having glyph / bulletproof / Strydur / extreme guilded known for racist comments, RL threats, etc. If you won't do anything about those people how can we take you serious when you call out others for toxic behavior?

While i agree with this example i would like to remind you that you, as a Jewish citizen, was guilded in a guild named Holocaust. Spin it how you like but all my Jewish friends took serious issue with the "humor" and casual rationalizing of the word.

As with any limited server we are not given the option of picking and choosing who we are recruiting/tagging. If we want to stay competitive then well ANYONE can be given a chance to join. Even you.

Example: Calling out azrael for unrest twinks when Strydur has an unrest rogue twink wrecking Havock.

This is PVP. Deal with it?

Example: calling out azrael for griefing when you have people like Samuell / HPT / Strydur / tune who even when we were at peace did nothing but farm lowbies.

They are their own players. If they want to PVP on a PVP server then whats the big deal. Deal with it or go to Blue99.

You have to clean up your own house before worrying about other peoples homes. The only difference between nihilum and red dawn is that I have vowed to clean my house when bad conduct is brought to my attention. Somehow because we did one joint sky raid three weeks ago with scene azrael members we are now all guilty of their actions or something to that effect, even though we haven't co raided since, and don't plan on doing so. Lol ok? Red Dawn doesn't view anyone as KoS, so yes, you will see us grouped at times for exp with azrael or fair fighters or yes even nihilum at times. That isn't because we've allied with those guilds or espouse their views, but because we don't feel the need to go full retard on everyone based on tag. (Kind of like how buying Chinese made goods doesn't make you a godless commie). I'm not sure why that's so difficult to comprehend.

You are aiding the enemies of Nihilum. If you provide comfort to terrorists (even once) then you are a traitor from that point forward. By jointly raiding with Azrael you are showing Nihilum that you are in cooperation with our enemies.

Comprehension is not a problem but your example is narrow and short sighted.

In closing, there's good and bad players in all guilds, but I try my best when proof is offered to remove the bad ones, regardless of what they offer in pve/pvp. Some people removed already based on posts are: Burhnin / prplgrpz / hateraid / together / gaffin / ebtcard, amongst many others. I take it seriously.

While i applaud your efforts to make red99 a better place I also know that you are coming from a negative history yourself. You will soon realize that it is just a game and in that end Nihilum desires to win.

Expect Velious to change things.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by big mouth chew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but yet you let him call the shots on your raids? only the semi-successful raids i guess

also, you didnt remove prplgrpz from red dawn, he removed himself. how do i know? i was there

Let him call shots on raids wut? We did one joint sky raid? Not sherrifsrs. Prplgrpz was removed, re-invited when he claimed he made restitution, then I confronted him in tells when I was told he didn't actually make restitution, and he removed himself before I could remove him. Grats?

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about that fear raid when lite was calling the shots? Oh shit, myth busted!

Just because you talked azrael members into rolling alts to hide in your guild doesn't mean they aren't in your team speak and/or working with you. Your guild is nothing but lies and deceit. People will see eventually.

Fear raid with Lite calling shots? Wut? I don't think lite even attended a single fear raid? Lies and deceit? Wut?

And to Tomato, if you alert me, and this goes to everyone, of rule breakers, with proof, I can take action. Generic "EVERY1 IS TOXIC UR LIES & DECEIT LOLOLOL" doesn't really allow me to take any action. But then again, my guess is neither of you really have legit intentions, and are just trying to bring down yet another guild that can compete so that you can prove your self fulfilling prophecies about nihilum and the box.

[Hateraid]

Originally Posted by tomato king24 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sad but true, red dawn going down the tubes.

good people quitting fast, shitty players joining at the same rate

Babies are also being neglected and pushed to the side for more elf simulation.

[heartbrand]

In truth, the only "trash talk" is the paranoia of nihilum members who think every change made to this server in an attempt to make it more appealing to new comers is a government conspiracy to disband their guild. News flash, if the server pop remains as is then more than half of your guild will never be getting vulak loots. There's barely the numbers to sustain a velious raiding guild as is right now, imagine in velious with pvp and with the high burnout from those who get geared and peace out since no new content is ever coming (kind of like Kunark with the newest MIA after his crown, hectorchrist). You think fern / bronkus / tehruoh / thrilla / Ajax etc are all going to keep logging on after they get their loot? No. You will need to replace them with new players. But if the box isn't healthy there won't be new players to replace them with. The worse part is that unlike Kunark where these players went into retirement, now they may very well just detag and kill you because why not? There's nothing new ever coming to the box.

Nihilum more than anyone should be on the side of changes that will help increase the pop of the box.

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THEN-

Nihilum is a bunch of bluebies that never PVPs.

NOW-

Nihilum griefs players off the server and kills baby kittens.

I warned you clowns about testing us with PVP.

Nihilum recruited 90% of the players who said nihilum were bluebies back in 2011 and you expect us to think the nihilum today is the same as it was in 2011? Nihilum has
thrown away all values aside to say on top, the original members are dropping like flies as they don't enjoy the new people. Integrity isn't nihilums strong point, as they will recruit anyone if their pixel position is threatened, disgusting bunch of people.