Raid Scene Poll

[Yinikren]

I wouldn't be against an ingame casino to help fix the economy.

[Splorf22]

AWWWW YISSS

[baramur]

VP= Rotation among guilds capable and keyed to kill in it. Same though if mob is up 4 hours you lose your chance to engage.

Trak= 2 out of 5 limit for initial engage. Free engage after mob is up 4 hours.

Vs= 2 out of 5 limit for initial engage. Free to engage after mob is up 4 hours.

Naggy/Vox Open raid style

Inny/CT first in zone with force. 2 out of 5 limit applies.

Draco/Maestro 3 our of 5 limit.

Dojo Rotation set, since set spawn time can plan it.

Server Repops: FFA, kills dont apply to limits.

Have All Raid leaders sit with all GM's and Draft a contract. Agree that if any guild breaks contract they will incur a 2 week raid suspension.

Will still be competition, but will still be a minimum of 3 guilds killing mobs.

Simple rule set that makes sense and makes sure not just the 2 top guilds ping the mobs back and forth.

[Handull]

2 hour rule helps the top two guilds to not fight as much, hence less training and less fte issues. the 50% rule doesn't add much to that, but it does mean guilds have to be a little selective. no poopsocking is great, but also hard to limit for certain mobs (take VS, obviously you have to allow people to be exping in the zone, but can an army of 40 afk on the steps outside VS room? what about at box room? at zone in? how many are allowed to face track vs at one time, etc). varience reduction will increase the bennefit to poopsocking, and increase the desire for other guilds to get involved in raiding, which will in turn increase the need to poopsock. some mobs you can avoid poopsocking by using rules, but even those rules can be lawyered ("we logged out our jugg raid of 15 people and 1 minute later a different 15 people logged in to raid juggs from our guild, clearly within the rules") and the easier poopsocking is, the more people will do it and the more of a problem this will be. The only reason poopsocking is dead is because a mob's true window is nearly a week long, so it just isn't worth it.

the real problem is its just too easy to cross the line from legit competition to being a dick. its also a hard line to define. being a dick to one person is fair competition to another, from there its just a matter of time before all the lines are blurred and everyone is a dick to each other.

that said, I think we have a really good thing going atm. guilds helping guilds, etc. keep it up everyone!

[Clark]

Sloan wins, most beef

[uygi]

How about, remove variance and replace it with spawns-per-month? Any mob has a random chance to pop at any time, with a mean spawn time equal to every 7 (or 3) days!? Then no windows, no variance, and no poopsock!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

something that crept into this thread, is the "casual guild" needs to gain access to end game content.

What? Huh?

Casual guilds get obsolete content or barely contested content. Trying to eliminate that fact is one step away from instances.

I thought this thread and the issue was about refining how competitive guilds interact. By competitive, I mean guilds that can field a raid force at spawn, at least a few times a week.

Eww. Do not try to make sure anything with a pulse gets a shot at encounters. That is truly a bad idea.

Casuals play casual. Their choice. Want mobs? Get on the mutherfuckin batphone.

[gummab]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

something that crept into this thread, is the "casual guild" needs to gain access to end game content.

What? Huh?

Casual guilds get obsolete content or barely contested content. Trying to eliminate that fact is one step away from instances.

I thought this thread and the issue was about refining how competitive guilds interact. By competitive, I mean guilds that can field a raid force at spawn, at least a few times a week.

Eww. Do not try to make sure anything with a pulse gets a shot at encounters. That is truly a bad idea.

Casuals play casual. Their choice. Want mobs? Get on the mutherfuckin batphone.

Ever thought these so *casual guilds* as you put it want to raid more content,but cannot because they have jobs,familes to take care of and have no chance of using a mutherfuckin batphone unless they want to lose there jobs?

My vote goes to no pooping and no variance.
All i want for christmas this year! is no douchebaggery & training.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by gummab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ever thought these so *casual guilds* as you put it want to raid more content,but cannot because they have jobs,familes to take care of and have no chance of using a mutherfuckin batphone unless they want to lose there jobs?

My vote goes to no pooping and no variance.
All i want for christmas this year! is no douchebaggery & training.

Yes, I have thought of that, and don't care. Casual guilds get nothing, that's classic.

[gummab]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I have thought of that, and don't care. Casual guilds get nothing, that's classic.

The speed of your post tell me that you do care.Merry Christmas to you