Zeelot to disband TMO if Rogean doesn't give him an adequate answer

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read pretty much everything. Seen my post count? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you guys need to do, as I just posted is think about if you got this surprise (more than likely a surprise) as a guild leader.

I've watched fraps, buffed raids for both sides and found both sides have normal people who don't play 20 hours a day with 40-60% raid attendence and then players with 90% attendence for basically the last 2 years. Here's the surprise. People with insanely high DKP like Zagum (I mean I love EverQuest dude but fucking seriously how much do you love Kunark, damn) are actually the nicer people I've met.

The shitbags, and here's where this might get you thinking, are the people with much lower time investment asking for things, being dramatic and not putting the time in. Worse, they even cause most of the problems in game. Fighting viciously over petty shit like being able to take 1 of the crypt camp spawns if they aren't pulling it fast enough. When was the last time you saw Alarti/Eccezan/Zeelot doing that?

Like Rettiwalk said on red, once you've been on both sides and knows who is doing what... reading both sides trying to cover themselves yet attack at the same time is one of the most entertaining and ridiculous things to observe on a weekly basis.

10% of the population might be TMO, but I'd say 5% from both oppositing parties make up the real 10% of the server's problem.

This is a really long winded way of saying "you should of just sat back and let TMO have their way" Guess what, people didn't and now things are going to change.

Server needs less Neville Chamberlain and more Churchill/Roosevelt.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

I'm personally not asking for Zeelot or anyone to get banned (aside from those responsible for the dupe exploit of course), the primary thing I'm questioning is their poor attitudes amidst all this. Between Eccezan throwing a tantrum and calling everyone scum and making shtity comments like "enjoy killing Tranix for 2 weeks," and Zeelot threatening Rogean with disbanding TMO, this whole thing has been grossly mishandled. The best thing the leadership could have done to maintain TMO's integrity would be to just apologize for this situation, lay low and quiet for a couple weeks, and then come back for raids allowing the server to forget about it. This sort of toxic diatribe over the past 12 hours (fueled by both TMO and anti-TMO) does have a negative impact on the server.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

Because TMO didn't come out with the same attitude. Once TMO members started posting, it was hatred towards Rogean and other posters, not regretful that one of their own had shat on things.

[dav]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

I agree, however the behaviour of TMO leadership at the moment is just so abhorrent and hilarious to watch that it is worth making fun of.

However, having known these people faaaar longer than most of the players on this server and knowing their personalities and character makes watching them stomp around and throw a tantrum all the more amusing.

As I said before, it also helps that Froovy/Internode are not saying anything and throwing said tantrums on the forums, it's the TMO leadership that is.

Satisfying.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

Well said, everyone jumping on the bandwagon as it were.

[hatelore]

Fuck em, let z-boy disband the guild of douchebags. Would love to see who would absorb there members.

[Nirgon]

So you could have all the geared out people "you hate" in your own guild to secure an advantage?

What does that make you? The same as them?

Yeah, it does.

Every single one of you that I see beating on your chests is just as bad as them with the pixel lust. They're just willing to go into work with 3 hours of sleep (read try harder) to get it. Is that sick? To me, yes. However, that's the same intention just with more effort put into it.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you could have all the geared out people "you hate" in your own guild to secure an advantage?

What does that make you? The same as them?

Yeah, it does.

Every single one of you that I see beating on your chests is just as bad as them with the pixel lust. They're just willing to go into work with 3 hours of sleep (read try harder) to get it. Is that sick? To me, yes. However, that's the same intention just with more effort put into it.

Except that the recent announcement of an agreement between the remaining top guilds to improve the raid environment here completely destroys your "you = them" theory. Seriously, just stop talking while you have a shred of credibility left. Or you can continue your TMO-fanboi spree and go down on the sinking ship with the rest of the rats.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except that the recent announcement of an agreement between the remaining top guilds to improve the raid environment here completely destroys your "you = them" theory. Seriously, just stop talking while you have a shred of credibility left. Or you can continue your TMO-fanboi spree and go down on the sinking ship with the rest of the rats.

Make the raid calendar and prove me wrong

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make the raid calendar and prove me wrong

They already have an agreement in place that should improve the raiding environment here. I don't know if this agreement will work out in the long term, but I give them credit for at least trying something. I'm not sure why you think a raid calendar has to be used rather than some other form of agreement.