Sirken locks thread before I can say good call

[Aeaolena]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see the guy frapsing doing /who forceful. Which shows 1 person. I never once see him /who inglourious which should show at least two more people I think.

Pull was direct to west wall. If you guys hadn't pulled it off the bard, who was planning to tank it straight up until the rest of the raid zoned in, maybe he would have been killed before the rest of us got there.

I understand it's upsetting to lose the mob with so many in zone. But we kept the mob tracked for it's whole window, we're definitely going to attempt to kill it when it spawns.

It doesn't matter if it was directly pulled to the west wall, as you say directly in your post:

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who was planning to tank it straight up until the rest of the raid zoned in

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who was planning to tank it straight up until the rest of the raid zoned in

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who was planning to tank it straight up until the rest of the raid zoned in

Yes, exactly, and as it says per the written rules:

A: It is now against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

or otherwise keep occupied

or

It sucks to be tracking a mob all that time and run the risk of disadvantage of a guild that already has a force in the zone.. but sitting a bard on the spawn point and stalling "otherwise keep occupied" a mob until the rest of your force zones in is not "bringing it back to your raid camp".

No idiot would argue that two people is a "raid camp", and as your said yourself:

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who was planning to tank it straight up until the rest of the raid zoned in

Stalling.

Grow a pair and get your force in the zone before you pull. Winning by shady tactics is so TMO.

[BigLe2e]

Originally Posted by Aeaolena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter if it was directly pulled to the west wall, as you say directly in your post:




Yes, exactly, and as it says per the written rules:






It sucks to be tracking a mob all that time and run the risk of disadvantage of a guild that already has a force in the zone.. but sitting a bard on the spawn point and stalling "otherwise keep occupied" a mob until the rest of your force zones in is not "bringing it back to your raid camp".

No idiot would argue that two people is a "raid camp", and as your said yourself:


Stalling.

Grow a pair and get your force in the zone before you pull. Winning by shady tactics is so TMO.

^pretty much this

[Autotune]

You guys seem to be new to this stuff, so here are some tips.

1) Never fucking peel someone else's kite/pull. You don't need fraps as evidence when you petition that someone stole your shit.

2) Pulling draco (any pullable raid target) with under 5 people in the zone is not against the rules, stop crying about it.

3) "Shady Tactics" are nonexistant. There are legal tactics and there are non-legal tactics and everything is legal unless you get caught. DO NOT GET CAUGHT (or if you're not good enough, don't attempt shit you'll most likely get caught doing).

4) Arguing with staff that they are wrong will not work, stop telling them they are wrong and start looking for something they might have "missed." Staff will never overturn something when you tell them they are stupid and made the wrong call, instead try calling to light another rule that works against what they called and ask them to look at it from that perspective. People tend to admit they are wrong if they believe they came to that conclusion on their own.

5) Raid size isn't defined, never bring that shit up again.


Disagree with me all you want, it changes absolutely nothing. The rules are there to be manipulated, because they are all written in a way that people have to guess what is implied to certain key aspects. What is a raid? well, that's not defined on P99, so anything can be a raid if that's what you want to call it. What is a kite? Well, who knows where the line is between a kite and a pull... However, everyone knows the where the line is when it comes to stealing a pull/kite.

6) Play in the gray, stand in the light, but if you find yourself in the darkness... deny, deny, deny.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys seem to be new to this stuff, so here are some tips.

1) Never fucking peel someone else's kite/pull. You don't need fraps as evidence when you petition that someone stole your shit.

2) Pulling draco (any pullable raid target) with under 5 people in the zone is not against the rules, stop crying about it.

3) "Shady Tactics" are nonexistant. There are legal tactics and there are non-legal tactics and everything is legal unless you get caught. DO NOT GET CAUGHT (or if you're not good enough, don't attempt shit you'll most likely get caught doing).

4) Arguing with staff that they are wrong will not work, stop telling them they are wrong and start looking for something they might have "missed." Staff will never overturn something when you tell them they are stupid and made the wrong call, instead try calling to light another rule that works against what they called and ask them to look at it from that perspective. People tend to admit they are wrong if they believe they came to that conclusion on their own.

5) Raid size isn't defined, never bring that shit up again.


Disagree with me all you want, it changes absolutely nothing. The rules are there to be manipulated, because they are all written in a way that people have to guess what is implied to certain key aspects. What is a raid? well, that's not defined on P99, so anything can be a raid if that's what you want to call it. What is a kite? Well, who knows where the line is between a kite and a pull... However, everyone knows the where the line is when it comes to stealing a pull/kite.

6) Play in the gray, stand in the light, but if you find yourself in the darkness... deny, deny, deny.

i don't even raid and know this.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6) Play in the gray, stand in the light, but if you find yourself in the darkness... deny, deny, deny.

i lol'd, this is good advice.

[Ahldagor]

sirken explained it

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...=130641&page=3

quit whining

[Aeaolena]

Sirkin has to deal with so much bullshit spewing from the TMO vs. FE/IB battle every time mobs spawn that I am not shocked him and the guide focus'd on the perspective of FTE and FTE only.

Just because TMO does this to you, and you cannot fraps it.. does not mean it isn't a bannable offense.

I can put an X on the ground mentally of any zone and call it my "camp". Two people does not make a raid, and that's all that matters at the time it was pulled.

And you know it.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Aeaolena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirkin has to deal with so much bullshit spewing from the TMO vs. FE/IB battle every time mobs spawn that I am not shocked him and the guide focus'd on the perspective of FTE and FTE only.

Just because TMO does this to you, and you cannot fraps it.. does not mean it isn't a bannable offense.

I can put an X on the ground mentally of any zone and call it my "camp". Two people does not make a raid, and that's all that matters at the time it was pulled.

And you know it.

Don't forget all the shit spewing from Anthax/Metallikus over draco today. =)

[Hitpoint]

I took this from the rule you quoted, "a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp." He brought draco right to our camp and didn't move. Just as he said he was going to in vent.

Well, Draco is one groupable. So I wouldn't say 3-4 people are incapable of fighting it while the rest of the raid zone in. There was a druid with a soulfire, a monk, and something else (maybe wizard?) in there with supremacy. And there were many others running through the lich tunnels, seconds away.

It's totally understandable to be mad about this stuff. But we've lost Draco to tmo the exact same way, many times, and vis versa. It happens all the time. The bard goes out to kite the trash and FTE draco while he's the only one in zone. By the time he gets back to camp 2-3 more people have zoned in and they can all stay alive until the killforce gets there. It's upsetting, but we don't petition this when it happens.

[Autotune]

IB has killed Draco with like 3 or 4 people before. So I wouldn't go with the "3 people aren't a raid force" lol.