If you think US Healthcare is anything other than an embarrassment, you're delusional

[Kagatob]

One can refute Root the same way that you can refute this guy, you can't. It doesn't make what he's saying anything more than senseless noise though.

[r00t]

If you didn't already know that Obamacare was essentially ghostwritten by the insurance companies via lobbyists, then the botched website made by political cronies for $560,000,000 instead of a real web development company for 1/1000 the price should have been a clue.

We can also make many comparisons to Hitler's draconian T-4 health care system. It's only the beginning of a bumpy ride. Most liberals hate the bill too.

[moklianne]

You're right, most liberals wanted something closer to single payer. At this point with nothing at all being done for so long though, I think (like Obama always does) Liberals were just willing to compromise to get anything done.

[stonez138]

ROOT you really aren't worth my time but I'll go ahead and give a small dose of truth. You claim

It's long proven capitalism will always produce better goods and services than socialism, hence why America had the most art, wealth, and science of any country, ever.

First of all I seriously doubt any of that is actually true especially considering there has never been a socialist country and the tremendous ammount of scientific innovation that came out of Germany in the early to mid 20th century. Secondly the only reason America was able to become the wealthiest most powerful nation in the world is because EVERY CITY IN EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALISED NATION was bombed into oblivion between 1914-45. Had nothing to do with capatalism but our convenient location half way across the fucking world.

[r00t]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ROOT you really aren't worth my time but I'll go ahead and give a small dose of truth. You claim

First of all I seriously doubt any of that is actually true especially considering there has never been a socialist country and the tremendous ammount of scientific innovation that came out of Germany in the early to mid 20th century. Secondly the only reason America was able to become the wealthiest most powerful nation in the world is because EVERY CITY IN EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALISED NATION was bombed into oblivion between 1914-45. Had nothing to do with capatalism but our convenient location half way across the fucking world.

Taking all your points into consideration: Explain why West Germany was much freer and prosperous than East Germany under Stasi Socialist control? Also the collapse of the socialist USSR and the end of the Berlin wall where West Germany's non-socialist system was adopted?

Then we have Russia and China, both of which have seen tremendous in the past 10 and 50 years after rejecting Marxist thought and moving toward capitalism?

GTFO commie

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if you think amplifying the qualities that make our healthcare system so miserable will fix it, you're a moron. That goes for the ACA too. The healthcare system should not have a profit motive at its core.

FYI, the ACA does have a provision that states that insurance companies need to spend 85% or more on care. If they don't (and this is measured), refunds to the employer are to take place. I personally know someone that this happened to. They received a letter stating that their insurance company didn't hit this marker and a refund would be issued. She never received it of course, it went to the employer, but still. Its promising (not the whole law, parts of it).

[stonez138]

Oh, and if capitalism produces such great goods then why is 90%+ of everything I see for sale says made in china?

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, and if capitalism produces such great goods then why is 90%+ of everything I see for sale says made in china?

Exactly why I don't shop at Walmart. Ever. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[r00t]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, and if capitalism produces such great goods then why is 90%+ of everything I see for sale says made in china?

You realize that is slave labor. You are saying you'd rather be a slave?

ANyways, I was reading more on West vs. East Germany.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The foundation for the influential position held by Germany today was laid during the Wirtschaftswunder (economic miracle) of the 1950s when West Germany rose from the enormous destruction wrought by World War II to become the world's third largest economy.

Now you see after WW2, the capitalist Germany became the 3rd largest economy, and the socialist one collapsed.

Open and shut case

[nilbog]

U.S. healthcare is all fucked up.