First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Wotsirb401 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think the OP would work beacuse the variance of range on each mob differs soo much! Who is to say that The A team , who is very good at what they do cant take on Trak with 10-12 players or whatever the case may be.. You can't set a limit on numbers when people are fully loaded with Idols, 5 charge Soulfires, Reapers etc. People will try anything so long as you are not kiting VS and other mobs around the zone

Here's my proposal for each mob and for the number of necessary people:

Lord Nagafen 6
Lady Vox 6
Dracoliche 6
Innoruuk 12
Cazic Thule 12
Venril Sathir 12
Faydedar 12
Severilous 12
Talendor 12
Gorenaire 12
Trakanon 12
Silverwing 18
Hoshkar 18
Druushk 18
Nexona 18
Phara Dar 18
Xygoz 18

Stop the stalling and kiting.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my proposal for each mob and for the number of necessary people:

Lord Nagafen 6
Lady Vox 6
Dracoliche 6
Innoruuk 12
Cazic Thule 12
Venril Sathir 12
Faydedar 12
Severilous 12
Talendor 12
Gorenaire 12
Trakanon 12
Silverwing 18
Hoshkar 18
Druushk 18
Nexona 18
Phara Dar 18
Xygoz 18

Stop the stalling and kiting.

You know what would be really cool guys?

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my proposal for each mob and for the number of necessary people:

Lord Nagafen 6
Lady Vox 6
Dracoliche 6
Innoruuk 12
Cazic Thule 12
Venril Sathir 12
Faydedar 12
Severilous 12
Talendor 12
Gorenaire 12
Trakanon 12
Silverwing 18
Hoshkar 18
Druushk 18
Nexona 18
Phara Dar 18
Xygoz 18

Stop the stalling and kiting.

I keep suggesting people watch Sirken's stream. You would understand why this won't happen.

Part of the challenge for a lot of players (especially on this server of veteran players) is doing more with less. Creating this list will prevent smaller groups the opportunity to challenge themselves.

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep suggesting people watch Sirken's stream. You would understand why this won't happen.

Part of the challenge for a lot of players (especially on this server of veteran players) is doing more with less. Creating this list will prevent smaller groups the opportunity to challenge themselves.

People talk about this, but honestly, when was the last time ANY of the listed mobs was killed with less than the number i listed? In fact, i'd be willing to bet that the thresholds listed were never broken on this server, by anybody. Not because people can't do it, but because of the competition and the fact that guilds can't exclude people from kills.

It's fine that people keep suggesting that they have skill and that they can do less with more. But you won't be able to beat the top guilds unless you play their game, and their game is numbers.

Also, if you find any of the said mobs up and you want to try them without the "required minimum", you can still do it. You just won't get an FTE shout.

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's fine that people keep suggesting that they have skill and that they can do less with more. But you won't be able to beat the top guilds unless you play their game, and their game is numbers.

From what I've gathered, all this controversy has to do with 2 TMO beating 10 FE/IB on FTE for VS, and then stalling until the rest of their force showed up. You have 2 people in your guild, what's to prevent you from doing the same thing?

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my proposal for each mob and for the number of necessary people:

Lord Nagafen 6
Lady Vox 6
Dracoliche 6
Innoruuk 12
Cazic Thule 12
Venril Sathir 12
Faydedar 12
Severilous 12
Talendor 12
Gorenaire 12
Trakanon 12
Silverwing 18
Hoshkar 18
Druushk 18
Nexona 18
Phara Dar 18
Xygoz 18

Stop the stalling and kiting.

Believe it or not, Tiggles once had the same idea as you. He suggested it on Sirken's stream. It was promptly shot down by Sirken for 2 reason. It discourages doing more with less, and it encourages poopsocking.

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Believe it or not, Tiggles once had the same idea as you. He suggested it on Sirken's stream. It was promptly shot down by Sirken for 2 reason. It discourages doing more with less, and it encourages poopsocking.

The thresholds that i listed are minimal. Do ANY of those mobs with the numbers i listed and you'll get mad props. Those mobs will never get done with numbers less than those, at least until Velious.

As for the poopsocking reason, give me a fucking break. Having 40+ people on standby ready to answer batphones within 20 seconds is just as bad as 20 semi afk dudes poopsocking.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my proposal for each mob and for the number of necessary people:

Lord Nagafen 6
Lady Vox 6
Dracoliche 6
Innoruuk 12
Cazic Thule 12
Venril Sathir 12
Faydedar 12
Severilous 12
Talendor 12
Gorenaire 12
Trakanon 12
Silverwing 18
Hoshkar 18
Druushk 18
Nexona 18
Phara Dar 18
Xygoz 18

Stop the stalling and kiting.

Make these numbers the maximum to engage. Banish anyone who engages Trakanon after #12 on the hate list.

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make these numbers the maximum to engage. Banish anyone who engages Trakanon after #12 on the hate list.

Fuck, i'd take that too... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zapatos]

"Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is now against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership."

It's still in the server raid rules, in Rogeans words, the ultimate authority of the server. The 15 on spawn rule is still there too.

Needs to be changed there if you wanna prevent threads like this cause people are gonna get confused when there are different versions of the rules everywhere!