Server Raid Rules - New and Improved

[Serith]

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[Eternal-Elf]

I know you bunch of baby whiners always cry and bitch about keeping things classic. I fail to remember GM's getting on to ban or suspend people for camping a mob on live.

QQ

[Samuel]

1.) Samuel- No, two people engaging a mob cannot, by definition, establish claim. It's the same issue that Bootleg was addressing, even a 13 person raid force cannot legitimately hold claim and could be steamrolled by a larger force. However, technically unless you can prove they didn't have 15 WHEN they engaged, and not just 15 or more alive, well, yeah, could be enjoying that suspension.

Stop making the bunnies angry

A scenario already came up where a boss was kited by two players while the rest of their raid rezed up (because they had wiped). Another raid was present and ready to engage. Rogean was present and said the raid kiting the mob had claim and the other raid could do nothing.

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by Samuel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A scenario already came up where a boss was kited by two players while the rest of their raid rezed up (because they had wiped). Another raid was present and ready to engage. Rogean was present and said the raid kiting the mob had claim and the other raid could do nothing.

I wasn't there, but this situation sounded like the mob surprise attacked them, and it wasn't a full wipe, players were still alive. Establishing a kite on a mob, while you battle rez is typical EverQuest dynamic for even bad fearplane entry.

[Samuel]

I wasn't there, but this situation sounded like the mob surprise attacked them, and it wasn't a full wipe, players were still alive. Establishing a kite on a mob, while you battle rez is typical EverQuest dynamic for even bad fearplane entry.

Yes this is basically correct. They had players alive but they weren't ready to engage and the other guild was ready to engage. I'm just letting the public know that Rogean confirmed it is okay to kite a raid mob, so that we can discuss that part of the new rules.

[Itchybottom]

It sounds more like he okayed kiting a raid mob in a partial wipe. Not getting a few players together to kite a mob until everyone arrives. In a situation where the raid force wasn't ready prior to the partial wipe, I think Rogean would probably be okay with you just taking the mob from them. But it sounds like they WERE ready for it, had some bad luck, and kited for recovery.

[Samuel]

In my opinion there shouldn't be a difference between kiting a mob with no raid present or kiting a mob with a half dead raid present. We have always used rules that state if you can't kill something you don't have claim to the camp/mob. So with the new rules in place we need to decide if kiting mobs is the new work around for the inability to kill a mob.

I don't believe there should be a case by case consideration (ie. you have to have a certain number of your guild present to make kiting acceptable). That just leads to grey area in the rules and more drama. It should either be YES kiting is okay to claim a raid mob or NO it is not okay.

But it sounds like they WERE ready for it, had some bad luck, and kited for recovery.

WERE ready is the key here. They knew it was going to spawn, meaning they should have been ready for it. They partial wiped which made their status NOT ready to engage.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

If they haven't fully wiped and are kiting it, it is still theirs, as they engaged already. When you do Tormax, going to say when they start dying and ressing it isn't theirs? /boggle.

I do think having like one player up still might seem kind of lame, if kting during cr, but really once they engage as long as the mob is still aggro, it is theirs.

[Redriot]

Samuel. You really should know what your talking about before you start assuming the said mob was being kiting to prevent another guild from engaging.

[nerfed]

Can we "help" the kiters out by damaging the mob to 95%?