warrior in raids, Kunark and Velious

[Vexenu]

A few relevant points:

1) Warriors have a much easier time raising MR than Monks and to a lesser extent Rogues (ex: Skull-shaped Barbute, Runed Bone Fork, BS mantle is +30 MR right there from three easy to get items)

2) Weighted Axe is only usable by large races, the best an Iksar Warrior could do for jousting until getting an Oggok Cleaver would realistically be a Staff of Battle (31/37) or even an Executioner's Axe (25/50)

3) Effectively PvPing with a Rogue requires the highest jousting skill of any melee to properly time backstabs ("frontstabs")

That being said, Warriors are probably the scariest PvP class at high end and always an excellent group PvP class due to their survivability and damage output. And yes, a decently geared Warrior can put out reasonably good DPS, so they aren't totally useless if not tanking on a raid.

[Ruenaros]

Some more points:

1. EQ PvP is horrendously bad.. the design, class balance, netcode... etc. None of it was designed for PvP.

2. There's a pvp forum for you to use if point 1 doesn't bother you: http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

3. Chicks dig warriors.

[Raclen]

Originally Posted by Ruenaros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some more points:

1. EQ PvP is horrendously bad.. the design, class balance, netcode... etc. None of it was designed for PvP.

2. There's a pvp forum for you to use if point 1 doesn't bother you: http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

3. Chicks dig warriors.

I asked the pvp forums as well. Red99 has the same PvE as blue so vets from here have valuable advice. I tailored my questions for each forum. I was just pointing out that my main focus here were questions about how valuable each class was in raids. Specifically how much a mediocre geared iksar warrior can contribute to a raid, if any, prior to Velious.

I got a little off topic because colgate, red99 box hero, made an appearance here and I got sidetracked with PvP advice.

[Servellious]

Warrior is your weekend sports car (raid mobs). Palymans and sk good for everyday commute (trash mobs especially planar clears)

[Tikker]

eh, all 3 classes have their place in PVP and PVE

there's not really a right/wrong answer here

just pick the one that matches your playstyle the best

[Raclen]

Not true on everquest man, it matters for sure!

[Briq]

I'm going to answer your question about PVE and raids and this is coming from a person that's played 3 different warriors to 60+ and raided with all 3.

First it will depend on the guild. Some guilds will go with one warrior tanking a raid mob until the warrior dies no matter if defensive is down or not. In that case your chance to actually be a MT is slim unless they pass it around and let them all get a chance. If a guild rotates their MTs due to defensive being down then you'll get a chance to tank if there aren't more than three warriors on the raid at any given time. Either way you'll still be able to offtank adds that come in that are not mezzable (NToV/ToV in general comes to mind). That will also depend on if there are a lot of tanks in the guild/raid. You'll still be able to DPS and kill the mobs, just might not tank anything. And coming from a warrior I know I wanted my chances to MT mobs or at least be the MA any chance I could get. There's nothing like watching your health go up and down MTing a raid mob or seeing the MT go down, getting aggro and popping furious until the CH chain starts hitting you. I absolutely loved it.

Sitting there and watching the same MT tank everything sucks for sure. I felt useless because my DPS wasn't as good as a rogue or a monk's and that I was there to take the damage so everyone else was unharmed but there was a better geared warrior ahead of me. Especially with new raid bosses you go with the best geared warrior for your best chance to win.

Like I said though, it's however the guild you are in/want to join works their MT rotations. They might give everyone a chance to tank or the same guy will do all the work. You won't be useless as you will have other roles other than MTing and you will still be providing DPS to the raid, no matter how little or how much it is.

As for PVP, i honestly never played on a pvp server and rarely dueled anyone so to that I can't comment on. Hope this helps you in someway.

[webrunner5]

If you are not the guild leader or the guild leaders best friend you are never going to be the Main Tank. As it is now on P1999 it takes about 30 seconds to kill a raid mob so not much need even for Warriors in groups on a raid other than the main group.

When Velious comes out will be different. Will take several groups with top end Warriors to kill top raid mobs on Assist.

Being the main tank is a pretty neat thing, but you HAVE TO BE on every raid there is or you are out. So it is a hell of a commitment. Raid Leader and Main Tank almost always have the most DKP's. And the Best gear, which the MT needs.

[Briq]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being the main tank is a pretty neat thing, but you HAVE TO BE on every raid there is or you are out. So it is a hell of a commitment. Raid Leader and Main Tank almost always have the most DKP's. And the Best gear, which the MT needs.

That is so true. I was never the MT of a guild until I was the officer of a progression guild on the Test server. Even then, I wasn't able to make the first 4 raids the guild had and was the second warrior behind a member because of it. I didn't become the MT until that warrior quit and I was next in line. I had about a 95% attendance and most of that 5% were those first 4 raids and the warrior that was in front of me had an even better attendance percentage. Later on once we hit Velious and after a couple kills of a raid mob other warriors would have a chance to MT. But that example might be a little screwed because so many people would play for 1-2 months and quit so most people playing later on weren't the same people at the beginning. It was a very high turn over rate for us.

Like I said in my first post though, there are other uses for warriors on raids even if you aren't the best geared warrior or the MT. Offtanking, Main Assist, Second Assist(if MA has to afk or is dead), and general DPS are the other things warriors do as well.

[Raclen]

DPS warrior it is.