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09-20-2013, 06:37 PM
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Now on the point of causation.. Are you not trying to make the case that gun laws and gun murder rates are causally related? I mean, why would you show statistics outlining the correlation otherwise? If your point is that these things are correlated, but there is no causal relationship, then there would be no reason to debate changing the law. The majority of people, myself included, are mostly utilitarian when it comes to laws. We want laws that have good effects. Causal relationships are crucial when making a utilitarian decision. If we don't think adding a new gun law will decrease gun deaths, there's no reason to even consider the other aspects (freedom vs safety). I simply can't believe that you weren't trying to imply that there is a causal relationship between these two things. Everything I just said could be said for your argument in the poverty thread as well. Don't be dishonest and act like you aren't trying to infer causation from correlation. | |||
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09-20-2013, 05:10 PM
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09-20-2013, 05:13 PM
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Whether those programs were labeled the war on poverty is completely irrelevant.
"The New Deal was a series of domestic economic programs enacted in the United States between 1933 and 1936....The programs were in response to the Great Depression, and focused on what historians call the "3 Rs": Relief, Recovery, and Reform. That is Relief for the unemployed and poor; Recovery of the economy to normal levels; and Reform of the financial system to prevent a repeat depression. | ||
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09-20-2013, 05:26 PM
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I said you should look up facts first. I didnt say they are all stats, but stats are a compendium of data that is used to HELP analyze complex situations. Statistics should always be scrutinized to identify weaknesses, which is why one by itself is usually not enough. Other types of facts do exist, and should also be used.
In addition to facts, logical argument is important, it is what connects facts and makes sense of them and their connection to any situation/issue. However, absent of facts/evidence, a theory has no verification. The evidence and stats are the best attempt at applying scientific method to test theories. Concurrently, facts are useless without being arranged by logic and reason to form a cognitive theory. I use both of these things in conjunction, you disdain one of them. Also causal theory should not be dismissed, but it is only one element of analysis necessary to understanding a situation. You must know the constitution of a situation to understand the dynamics, and possibly be able to positively verify causes. | ||
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09-20-2013, 05:38 PM
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09-21-2013, 04:17 PM
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