Wizards...what were they thinking?

[phacemeltar]

just because the noobs u group with dont want you to ae doesnt necessarily mean you shouldnt. just add a /w to the enc saying "im about to break all ur mez" to your ae macro

[stewe]

"So what do you do when there's no groups available as a wizard? You try to solo. With only root--no pets, no sow, not even snare. You would think a cold spell would at least have a slowing effect!"

wizards get an AoE snare called bond of force at level 29.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Morningbreath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Note that "good" is a relative term...not every class can be the best at something. Wizards can do okay in a lot of standard experience groups, just a lot of other classes are better in any given group situation. This is much less true if on a server that is relatively young and low levels don't have access to great gear. I'd imagine that wizards were not turned away from exp groups in the early days of p99, although many were probably doing much better solo so they didn't group? I was not around so I can only guess. A choice between adding a rogue or a wizard was probably much harder back then.

Like I said before, there are many other situations besides your traditional exp group where wizard is one of, if not the ideal class, so complaining about them not being so great in one situation is rather silly in my opinion.

[Morningbreath]

Note that "good" is a relative term...not every class can be the best at something. Wizards can do okay in a lot of standard experience groups, just a lot of other classes are better in any given group situation.

A class without heals, buffs or tanking ability should be as good as any other class at doing damage. Otherwise you might as well roll a druid. And most people do. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is much less true if on a server that is relatively young and low levels don't have access to great gear. I'd imagine that wizards were not turned away from exp groups in the early days of p99, although many were probably doing much better solo so they didn't group? I was not around so I can only guess. A choice between adding a rogue or a wizard was probably much harder back then.

Obviously starting on a new server isn't an option on P99...the damage has already been done. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said before, there are many other situations besides your traditional exp group where wizard is one of, if not the ideal class, so complaining about them not being so great in one situation is rather silly in my opinion.

Many other situations? Apart from once in a blue moon AE groups and dragging mobs around a secluded zone every 10 minutes, I really can't think of "many" situations.

I play an enchanter and a shaman now and I enjoy what they do but I really would like to see magic go back to being something that people seek out for reasons other than to heal and buff twinked melees. I respect that the P99 devs have stuck with the original warts-and-all Vision, it's just a shame Verant didn't get it right back in the day.

[JackFlash]

it's just a shame Verant didn't get it right back in the day.

Get what right? You make it sound like you could have done better. Doubt it.

[gotrocks]

dude. wizards are awesome. granted, I'm playing mine on r99, and if I had to level one on blue without xp bonus i'd lose my mind (ONLY if I didn't have jboots or sow pots), but i'm having an absolute blast with mine, and that's not counting pvp. I can't wait to drop an ice comet on someone xping after sneaking up on them invis.

[JackFlash]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm playing mine on r99, and if I had to level one on blue without xp bonus i'd lose my mind

I'm doing it now....it doesn't seem nearly as bad as it was on Live. But yeah, wizards are awesome. OP wants a wizard that can heal, buff, CC, and give you a happy ending.

[Splorf22]

Between lures and ports Wizards are one of the best raiding classes. On top of that they can level to 60 pretty easily with quad kiting. On the whole I think Wizards are much stronger than Druids, but they are much more specialized and a little boring. The problem becomes if you want to play a wizard and have any sort of social interaction before 60 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also from what I hear Verant continued to have balance problems pretty much through the whole length of the game.

[Picked]

Had a Wizard on live, played him for 8 or 9 years. Have one on P99. And I understand what you mean that some spells have little to no use. But that doesn't mean the class is useless and that they made them wrong. There are ways to utilize those spells if you really want to do something other than root/nuke.

Wizards are weak at low levels. Hell they are weak at high levels. But it doesn't mean they don't serve a purpose. And a rather nice one. Virtually they were the kings of DPS for quite a long time in EQ. I remember being the top parser and trading spots with a fellow Wizard on tons of parses.

They are glass cannons. Our job is to do high amounts of damage, generate a lot of aggro, and port. That's it. Just like a clerics job is to heal, a pal/sk/wars job is to tank. We DPS. Why should we carry 2 or 3 different roles? We aren't hybrids.

[Morningbreath]

Originally Posted by JackFlash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get what right? You make it sound like you could have done better. Doubt it.

Easily. Wizard damage could have been made to scale with the pull rate of the group. Of course that would have required some testing and parsing to balance correctly but it wouldn't have been rocket science.