Classic / Kunark state of the union

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to replay EQ in 1999, you probably need to spend your free time scoring some hallucinogenic drugs rather than playing P99 or waiting for a new P99 server.

Like the PvP Teams server they just announced last weekend?

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's how I interpret it too. It's simply good coding practice to do what he's doing. I guess he hasn't completely discounted the prospect of another/a new server in the future.

"The future" is a long time, isn't it? Nobody said it would be anytime soon.

Making sure they have an accurate timeline down for content we are already past has exactly ZERO to do with coding. They know they are, at some point, going to launch another server. And I know it and so do you.

They just have very good reasons not to say that they will, or when, because it's probably not something they are even close to considering yet, and saying so could affect the health of this server. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by them to announce such a thing right now. We don't even have velious yet.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The future" is a long time, isn't it? Nobody said it would be anytime soon.

Making sure they have an accurate timeline down for content we are already past has exactly ZERO to do with coding. They know they are, at some point, going to launch another server. And I know it and so do you.

They just have very good reasons not to say that they will, or when, because it's probably not something they are even close to considering yet, and saying so could affect the health of this server. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by them to announce such a thing right now. We don't even have velious yet.

The feature allowing them to turn things on and off easily has everything to do with good coding practice. And no-one knows anything of the sort. If Sirken says there is zero chance (at this point), I'm going to take his word over yours or mine or any other forumquester. Another server doubles their CSR load - something Sirken has said is intimidating enough not to consider.

But meh, my real question was was this all hypothetical, and I guess that's been answered, so carry on!

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The feature allowing them to turn things on and off easily has everything to do with good coding practice. And no-one knows anything of the sort. If Sirken says there is zero chance (at this point), I'm going to take his word over yours or mine or any other forumquester. Another server doubles their CSR load - something Sirken has said is intimidating enough not to consider.

But meh, my real question was was this all hypothetical, and I guess that's been answered, so carry on!

"In the event we open another server from the beginning, it behooves us to create on/off switches for those times."

If it was about "good coding practice" he would have said that. The "times" he was talking about have already passed on this timeline. They are completing the code because they know they are going to need it in the future.

Obviously none of us know anything. It would be silly to think that we are getting a new blue server anytime soon. Velious is still, probably, a ways off. Yeah people are predicting this winter, but they were doing that last year, too. But it's also naive as shit to think that there will NEVER be one. They've said multiple times that it's always been a consideration. It just isn't right now. No sane person would go to all of this trouble, to this degree of detail, and never do it again on a proper timeline. I say, again, "classic" here wasn't remotely classic. But it will be when they get it all done.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spellbook I'm with you. UI I'd say is an icing on the cake.

There's progress in getting the EQ Trilogy launcher to work with P99. I'm not even 100% sure on what problems that will solve, but if that gets rolling and is confirmed to work in every case a Titanium client will on a PC? I'm all for Rogean making it mandatory to connect via it.

+1

I didn't even know there was work being done with this client. I'd be tickled. I hope it's the same client EQClassic was going to use, because I already bought a copy of that.

[dali_lb]

Problem as I see it is, do anybody know if Team Nilbog actually operate more structured as SoE ?

I mean can they actually create a Classic server today with the correct things enabled and disabled at a stage close to when EQ started in 99?

Or do they operate as SoE did, just fixing things without any kind of version checking ?

I Remember that when SoE started their timeline servers they excused themself for not making the game classic, that they didn't had any documentation or game builds that made them able to restore functionality to a certain stage, so they just took the game as it was in 2008 and turned all expansions off

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be silly to think that we are getting a new blue server anytime soon.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well fuck, then we should have those extended downtimes that Verant used to do on patch days...so people can't log in for 12-16 hours. For that classic experience. You DO want it as classic as possible after all. Also, bandwidth server side should be limited to 4kbs/sec.

I'm all for the 4kBps. Could help even the playing field in terms of zerg.

[Borador]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you smoking the same thing Swish is? I already said, it's not about farming. It's how it was done. Which, here, wasn't remotely classic. There was no PERMANENT CHARMING in classic EQ. Or in-game maps that, you know, show those alleged "good players" where the namers are. I was in lguk one day while a trio of casters with perma charmed pets were spam /ooc-ing for somebody to come show them where all the nameds popped because they had no clue. Ponder the irony of that a moment considering they could have had maps if they'd wanted them. Not like an actual experienced player from Classic EverQuest would need them. And these are the people you hold up as "good players." They were typical of that era on this server.

Nor translocators to/from the cash spots in OoT. Nor were accounts allowed to be sold for plat. Nor was a lack of exp penalty for hybrids. Etc etc etc. A book could be written about everything non-classic that was taken full advantage of by a significant portion of the playerbase during the "classic" era on this server. With the addition of exploitable bugs. Not to mention boxers everywhere.

"Good players" my ass. This server was full of clueless noobs who exploited every non-classic mechanic and bug concievable. People who were 8 years old during live classic, if they even played at all, and finally got to play for real now that they didn't have a bedtime....exploiting every zone. It had nothing to do with player skill. If you weren't around when they finally fixed the charm bug, you should have seen the crying on the boards. I didn't quit because I couldn't handle the content. I quit because it was lame.

Again, none of this is a slam on the server or the devs. It's a work in progress and that's where it had progressed at that point from a technical standpoint. It's a slam on the idiots who think that the classic era we had here was even remotely like real classic. All of this has been fixed and continues to be. It will be much better next time around.

For the record, I kind of dig low pops, if they are healthy enough. And I don't care who is "at the top." I care about playing through the content legit.

Wow, I didn't know it was this bad. I am glad I wasn't around for it now, or I would have quickly quit... I remember when fabled mobs were released and I got to "camp" the jboots. The number of people who were completely clueless about nejena made me sick to my stomach. If people want to be told exactly where to go and what to click I don't want to play with them.

[cyryllis]

AE groups and bard swarm kiting were almost certain death back in the days of dial-up. I remember having to get cable internet during luclin because I would crash during fungus grove AE all the time.

Obviously we need slower connections so we can eliminate bard kiting and free DL and OT from their evil clutches