A proposed PvP Teams ruleset: Modified SZ (long)

[runlvlzero]

It has its pros and cons, and EQEMU is vary flawed and heavily favors the cons of team pvp, single character, single account, single person would be ok... but no matter what you tie accounts to, unless you collect drivers licenses and verify their authenticity it will always be questionably easy to forge new accounts. If there was a good work around. It wouldn't be that bad. I don't think many people invested in cross teaming that much in WoW when I played during openworld pvp.

Then again. Maybe if the no 2 boxing rule was heavily enforced cross teaming and multiple characters would not rate that high of an issue. Because people would have to focus on one character at a time. Nullifying the overall benefit of being able to back stab your teammates. Not to mention if someone has a character known for backstabbing it will be shunned pretty fast.

I don't see it as impossible to deal with. The original point of SZ style teams is to get multiple tiers of characters involved in playing in a zone together. It really is bad if you have no allies on a team. Which judging by this server... is probably how it will be most of the time due to population alone. i.e. SZ worked because out of 200 people on a team, 20 would spend time defending newbie areas at least. I don't know. I don't see that deep level of investment on this server from anyone. Unrest changes hands based on who desires to PL the most there. Or its in the hands of an individual "twink pk guild(TM)" because thats who has invested the time to park a character there 24/7. It would be kind of funny if high levels could run in and steamroll "Knights Templar, or Unrest County Police" or whatever. It would require them to level up for sure. Rather than just stay level 18 with a fungi and MOSS.

Its not impossible to level on a purely no level range server. Although its extremely tedious at times. A server like that will definitely favor Nihilum like players the most.

However at best, for most of SZ's existence the only way to have BIS characters was to be team evil. It seems 90% or more on EMU servers play to achieve BIS gear on min/max toons. They don't RP or immerse beyond pixel hunting very well. Handfuls of players on both servers just play "to be their character" or their on line persona.

Maybe TLDR... but at release WoW was not a bad example of teams working, it was one of the good ones.

[Rec]

Good and Neutral will get stomped unless they are combined. All the "cool" kids want to be Evil. You can give each side all the special rules you want, it's not going to make up for it, and the more new rules you make the less it's Everquest Classic pvp.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Rec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good and Neutral will get stomped unless they are combined. All the "cool" kids want to be Evil. You can give each side all the special rules you want, it's not going to make up for it

Thats a terrible idea and you would be very surprised how many don't roll evil. Especially after <Hate> eventually took over SZ, all the old schoolers would love nothing more than NOT to be evil, as we have an engrained hatred for the darkies. Its even weird for me to play an Evil race on Blue server even though I played neutral 13 years ago on SZ.

There will be underdogs, and it won't be a perfect balance. But thats fine because at least its not <Nihilium> vs the server. Teams gives you auto allies...something that is very needed to help a lopsided FFA.

[Rec]

Originally Posted by Rokannis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats a terrible idea and you would be very surprised how many don't roll evil. Especially after <Hate> eventually took over SZ, all the old schoolers would love nothing more than NOT to be evil, as we have an engrained hatred for the darkies. Its even weird for me to play an Evil race on Blue server even though I played neutral 13 years ago on SZ.

There will be underdogs, and it won't be a perfect balance. But thats fine because at least its not <Nihilium> vs the server. Teams gives you auto allies...something that is very needed to help a lopsided FFA.

It's a terrible idea to think the Evil side won't dominate again. You can spout all the supposed veteran sentiment all you want. As long as necromancers and sks are unique to one team that's an incredible lure and boost on a pvp teams server. The counter lure is suppose to be druids and paladins but as long as they are split between two teams, it just becomes too dilluted of a force strength. I think sullon zek was my favorite EQ experience, I am with everyone on everything else just 2 teams instead of 3. Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Rec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a terrible idea to think the Evil side won't dominate again. You can spout all the supposed veteran sentiment all you want. As long as necromancers and sks are unique to one team that's an incredible lure and boost on a pvp teams server. The counter lure is suppose to be druids and paladins but as long as they are split between two teams, it just becomes too dilluted of a force strength. I think sullon zek was my favorite EQ experience, I am with everyone on everything else just 2 teams instead of 3. Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it

I think you are underestimating the impact of the team balancing changes I proposed. FFA PvP among the Evils would make them a less cohesive force. Smaller numbers of Goods and Newts would have a greater impact than they did on SZ. And the bonuses for those teams would attract more players to reduce the population discrepancy further. Also, most people coming from Blue would probably roll Neutral or Good to avoid the prospect of FFA PvP on evil.

That being said, I would rather see this server with 2 teams than not at all. But I think 3 teams is best and provides the richest experience, despite the inherent balancing challenges.

[Rec]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you are underestimating the impact of the team balancing changes I proposed. FFA PvP among the Evils would make them a less cohesive force. Smaller numbers of Goods and Newts would have a greater impact than they did on SZ. And the bonuses for those teams would attract more players to reduce the population discrepancy further. Also, most people coming from Blue would probably roll Neutral or Good to avoid the prospect of FFA PvP on evil.

That being said, I would rather see this server with 2 teams than not at all. But I think 3 teams is best and provides the richest experience, despite the inherent balancing challenges.

I saw your changes, we're all on the same side I think, trying to get to the same end result, just have different approaches that's all.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you are underestimating the impact of the team balancing changes I proposed.

I am with you on that.

I would pick a dwarf or barbarian warrior over ogre if you got all those bonuses.

Dwarf vs Ogre
-20 str
-12 sta
+20 Agi
+35 Dex
+20 all resists

Barbarian vs Ogre
-7str
-7sta
+32agi
+20dex
+20 all resists

Rogues would be ridiculous for the evil side compared to barbarians. Classic era would be cake for Barbarians.

naked Barbarian vs DE rogue in full reavenscale

+52str
+40sta
+1 agi
+2 dex
+7 vs magic
-2 vs disease
-3vs po ison
+15 vs cold
+15 vs fire

[runlvlzero]

I liked SZ teams on live. Don't want it to replace this server. But if there were like 600 posts from unique accounts. I'd say it would be worth some investment.

[Dullah]

tldr

nothing he has to say hasn't been said. Teams offers nothing for the server.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tldr

nothing he has to say hasn't been said. Teams offers nothing for the server.

All I see is, "I'm a faggot"