Is the raid scene really that bad?

[Autotune]

Showing off loot to more noobs who have the same loot?

That's not a good reason to basically take what they have and slow down the intake by several weeks.

[Tycko]

Varience is the bad guy.

[Ajkuhuun]

This thread sort of took a bad turn, when Naena posted his question, it was because the impression we'd been getting from folks was that if you were interested in high end content pretty much don't bother, there just isn't room at the top so to speak. But you know how boards are and gossip, you never really know until you're up there what the real score is and because we just don't have the playtime we used to, we wanted to know if leveling up was a waste of time if we were interested in anything past basic grouping, maybe Sky once we hit the high end. The people we'd been grouping with inferred that basically the folks still going had so much invested in the server that even though raid content for them was non existent it was still worth logging in.

Racing is part of EQ, it always has been, there's absolutely no expectation on our part of WoW style raid content availability. Naena knows firsthand from his experience on live, and even though I started raiding later racing was always part of it. Sometimes guilds worked out rotations, sometimes they didn't, sometimes folks trained eachother to get to a raid mob, it's just the way EQ works.

I think what would have been a better way to phrase the inquiry, would have been to ask if anyone actively races TMO to mobs, or if folks just don't bother. That's really more to the point.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ajkuhuun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread sort of took a bad turn, when Naena posted his question, it was because the impression we'd been getting from folks was that if you were interested in high end content pretty much don't bother, there just isn't room at the top so to speak. But you know how boards are and gossip, you never really know until you're up there what the real score is and because we just don't have the playtime we used to, we wanted to know if leveling up was a waste of time if we were interested in anything past basic grouping, maybe Sky once we hit the high end. The people we'd been grouping with inferred that basically the folks still going had so much invested in the server that even though raid content for them was non existent it was still worth logging in.

Racing is part of EQ, it always has been, there's absolutely no expectation on our part of WoW style raid content availability. Naena knows firsthand from his experience on live, and even though I started raiding later racing was always part of it. Sometimes guilds worked out rotations, sometimes they didn't, sometimes folks trained eachother to get to a raid mob, it's just the way EQ works.

I think what would have been a better way to phrase the inquiry, would have been to ask if anyone actively races TMO to mobs, or if folks just don't bother. That's really more to the point.

No one really races TMO for mobs. The server has almost always had 2+ top end guilds with one being obviously better than the other most of the time. When TMO finally knocked out IB (the long time #1) most of the hardcore guys from that guild left. This left the raid scene with only 1 hardcore raiding guild and several casual guilds. Few hardcore guys joined casual guilds and tried and ultimately failed. Now people cry because they can't beat TMO and be #1 or really even be a competitor.

There is more than enough room to be #2 on p99. However, if your plan involves knocking out TMO or trying to challenge them, you're going to fail. There aren't enough people on p99 anymore that are willing to play with the system that is in place.

If I were to ever come back, I would make a raiding guild and then just completely ignore TMO as raiding competition. Raid what you can and have fun, if they want to taunt just ignore them. The main problems other guilds have had is talking a ton of shit and not being able to back it up.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one really races TMO for mobs. The server has almost always had 2+ top end guilds with one being obviously better than the other most of the time. When TMO finally knocked out IB (the long time #1) most of the hardcore guys from that guild left. This left the raid scene with only 1 hardcore raiding guild and several casual guilds. Few hardcore guys joined casual guilds and tried and ultimately failed. Now people cry because they can't beat TMO and be #1 or really even be a competitor.

There is more than enough room to be #2 on p99. However, if your plan involves knocking out TMO or trying to challenge them, you're going to fail. There aren't enough people on p99 anymore that are willing to play with the system that is in place.

If I were to ever come back, I would make a raiding guild and then just completely ignore TMO as raiding competition. Raid what you can and have fun, if they want to taunt just ignore them. The main problems other guilds have had is talking a ton of shit and not being able to back it up.

jesus Stealin i miss you . as always u dont bite ur tongue and nail it. if i just could make you come back.....

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[Autotune]

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jesus Stealin i miss you . as always u dont bite ur tongue and nail it. if i just could make you come back.....

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I could go for some real beers right about now lol

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one really races TMO for mobs.

The barrier to entry for a new raid guild is huge. Let's face it: your new guild is not going to be hugely better than TMO; the game simply isn't complex enough. So even if your guild succeeds, you can expect to get about 50% of the mobs. Tracking and batphoning is bad enough, when you get up in the middle of the night to kill CT and spend 3 hours dodging DT cycles and then the other guild kills something? That sucks.

Then of course there is the matter of practice. Realistically speaking you can probably expect to put in all that time for a few months with very few successes while you figure out the pull strats and people start to work together better.

And finally even if you get that far, TMO will still have a huge advantage in VP. I'd guess TMO has at least 200 VP keyed toons if not more; FE at their height had like 40-50 I thought.

In fact those three paragraphs are basically the story of FE, and not too surprisingly they burned out, although they did make it interesting for a while.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The barrier to entry for a new raid guild is huge. Let's face it: your new guild is not going to be hugely better than TMO; the game simply isn't complex enough. So even if your guild succeeds, you can expect to get about 50% of the mobs. Tracking and batphoning is bad enough, when you get up in the middle of the night to kill CT and spend 3 hours dodging DT cycles and then the other guild kills something? That sucks.

Then of course there is the matter of practice. Realistically speaking you can probably expect to put in all that time for a few months with very few successes while you figure out the pull strats and people start to work together better.

And finally even if you get that far, TMO will still have a huge advantage in VP. I'd guess TMO has at least 200 VP keyed toons if not more; FE at their height had like 40-50 I thought.

In fact those three paragraphs are basically the story of FE, and not too surprisingly they burned out, although they did make it interesting for a while.

Just to clarify we had never logged more than 30 FE in VP and were almost always outnumbered 2 to 1.
For our druushk kill we had 24 ppl, with atleast 3 of them kiting TMO's trains while the rest downed the dragon. TMO had close to if not over 40 in zone or outside waiting to zone in. I could post logs but I'm at work and on a cell phone so ill pass for now. With training allowed in VP I honestly think no guild stands too good kf a chance on their own. Even if you kill TMO's first wave of trainers they have 20 more ready to zone in.

Pretty spot on though, I still think FE has lots lf potential though. Lots of folks quit who will likely come back for velious just like in other guilds. In the meantime we keep trying to recruit and kill shit but like you say when you have no infrastructure and limited numbers you don't stand a realistic chance to threaten TMO's chokehold.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Ajkuhuun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread sort of took a bad turn, when Naena posted his question, it was because the impression we'd been getting from folks was that if you were interested in high end content pretty much don't bother, there just isn't room at the top so to speak. But you know how boards are and gossip, you never really know until you're up there what the real score is and because we just don't have the playtime we used to, we wanted to know if leveling up was a waste of time if we were interested in anything past basic grouping, maybe Sky once we hit the high end. The people we'd been grouping with inferred that basically the folks still going had so much invested in the server that even though raid content for them was non existent it was still worth logging in.

Racing is part of EQ, it always has been, there's absolutely no expectation on our part of WoW style raid content availability. Naena knows firsthand from his experience on live, and even though I started raiding later racing was always part of it. Sometimes guilds worked out rotations, sometimes they didn't, sometimes folks trained eachother to get to a raid mob, it's just the way EQ works.

I think what would have been a better way to phrase the inquiry, would have been to ask if anyone actively races TMO to mobs, or if folks just don't bother. That's really more to the point.

thank you sir for a good and nice and serius question .
in regard ur question , some guilds compete with tmo or race agaisnt us.
the problem for them is not enough stuff to keep big ammount of people happy.

and many times they pitt people with feeble raid experience or gear.

lately guilds however has been taking it more seriusly and trying to gear up their fellows with plane of sky quests , epics wich dont need big stuff from mobs like inny , ct, vs, trak.

And then u got vp, at this point vp as the op said is controlled by tmo in the sense we kill everything.

being trained or not.
Being real u can dispute TMO easily most of kunark , planar gods,bosses.

But u need to beat them in the race.

easy task? no, possible? yes .

[Tasslehofp99]

Just need more concise raiding rules and enforcement for them. Other than that no issues with raid scene on p99. I also wish training was outlawed from raiding as its just shitty and a waste of peoples time and it was never allowed by GMa on live despite the large number of players who think it was.


However I won't sit here and try to pretend cockblocking the server out of raid loot for 2+ years so you can sell it isn't just pure greed like some others will. I just can't think of any justification for stuff like that.