Is the raid scene really that bad?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think about why this is for a minute, especially with such a long Kunark

# of lvl 60 players is a bit top heavy wouldn't you say

Exactly my thoughts. Plus we probably have a larger proportion of more hardcore players than an average live server, plus many of us have 'done it all' except for kill big raid targets so lots and lots of people want to get in on that, etc.

[Nuggie]

They deserve it less than a squib who apps to TMO for the easy win? Rather than join the pack of little dogs for the long uphill fight? I prefer the hard road myself. Even if it didn't amount to much.

And btw, VD had a lot of nice people in it. We just had a few people in positions of authority that were rather hot headed. They bumped heads with some leaders of other guilds. Most of us didn't agree with what happened in VP there at the end. That's why the guild fell apart, IMO. Because we didn't support the direction things were going.

As an after thought: I wonder how much different the server would have been if DA and VD had merged together. Or if it would have changed anything at all. One can only speculate. Food for thought.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They deserve it less than a squib who apps to TMO for the easy win? Rather than join the pack of little dogs for the long uphill fight? I prefer the hard road myself. Even if it didn't amount to much.

And btw, VD had a lot of nice people in it. We just had a few people in positions of authority that were rather hot headed. They bumped heads with some leaders of other guilds. Most of us didn't agree with what happened in VP there at the end. That's why the guild fell apart, IMO. Because we didn't support the direction things were going.

As an after thought: I wonder how much different the server would have been if DA and VD had merged together. Or if it would have changed anything at all. One can only speculate. Food for thought.

Neither of those type people deserve the loot. However, looking at guilds, TMO deserve to be able to gear their apps with loot that is much better in quality than the other guilds.

I mentioned the only people who actually deserve VP loot, who aren't carrying a TMO tag, because there actually are people who put in time, effort, etc and got nothing out of it.

I never said VD didn't have nice people, I actually knew many in VD and liked some of them. However, they let their leadership walk all over them and couldn't force changes that needed to be done for the betterment of their guild.

As far as afterthoughts: I wonder how different things would have been if TMO and IB had merged together.

[Nuggie]

I don't support rotations. Shit was cutthroat on lanys. That's classic for me.

[DarkwingDuck]

Meh. I for one do t plan on tracking for 24-75 hours. So ya I guess I don't deserve it...
But at least my life isn't miserable in comparison to those that do lol.
Ps. Still loving my EQ playtime. Fuck the ALL/ALL or nothing bullshit. Ppl can still raid. If u want to join TMO join them, or beat them ! Like OP says.. I may not agree with there asshatness and yes A Lot of them are huge used douches... But if they wanna be gross and poopsock.. Do it. I for one will not personally have my only life gratification come from epeen. Period.

[Nuggie]

Dang, your afterthought trumps my afterthought. That is something to think about. You win.

[spoils]

i like stealin....plz come back.

[falkun]

10-13 years later and 32khp dragons are more valued than they were all those years ago. If you want to fight tooth and nail for them, Stealin, be my guest. Personally, I think you've put in too much effort for a *game*, but its your free time to do with as you please. Considering how much opposition TMO has in the raid scene, its pretty obvious 95% of the server also feels "the raid scene is that bad". Stealin, by your argument that no one else deserves anything in a 12 year old elf simulator because "we haven't put in the effort," you are articulating quite clearly why this server's raid scene is so bad. Blue99's raid scene is a race to the bottom.

Agreements can be made on this server and players can be reasonable human beings, it just doesn't happen often.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10-13 years later and 32khp dragons are more valued than they were all those years ago. If you want to fight tooth and nail for them, Stealin, be my guest. Personally, I think you've put in too much effort for a *game*, but its your free time to do with as you please. Considering how much opposition TMO has in the raid scene, its pretty obvious 95% of the server also feels "the raid scene is that bad". Stealin, by your argument that no one else deserves anything in a 12 year old elf simulator because "we haven't put in the effort," you are articulating quite clearly why this server's raid scene is so bad. Blue99's raid scene is a race to the bottom.

Agreements can be made on this server and players can be reasonable human beings, it just doesn't happen often.

You've put in nothing and want the same as someone who puts in obvious more time.

You work 40 hours, but want the same pay as someone who has done their 40 as well as put in 20 hours of overtime.

I may have put in too much effort for a game, but it's what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. When I first started I wasn't interested in raiding and I didn't complain about how it was and when I did want to raid, I chose to play with how it was and not complain till it was how I wanted it. I got all I wanted out of raiding and quit when it wasn't interesting anymore.

I can safely say I got all of what I wanted out of P99 and I bet not many can say the same.

My argument is no one who is willing to put in similar effort should be rewarded similarly to someone who is putting in that effort.

This server, so far, is getting what they put in and there is nothing wrong with that. It took great effort to get TMO to where they are and they reap great rewards for doing it, your guild put in little effort and got little reward for it.

You guys keep asking TMO to remove the barrier that they had to climb to get where they are, I don't blame them for not doing it nor wanting to do it.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've put in nothing and want the same as someone who puts in obvious more time.

You work 40 hours, but want the same pay as someone who has done their 40 as well as put in 20 hours of overtime.

I may have put in too much effort for a game, but it's what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. When I first started I wasn't interested in raiding and I didn't complain about how it was and when I did want to raid, I chose to play with how it was and not complain till it was how I wanted it. I got all I wanted out of raiding and quit when it wasn't interesting anymore.

I can safely say I got all of what I wanted out of P99 and I bet not many can say the same.

My argument is no one who is willing to put in similar effort should be rewarded similarly to someone who is putting in that effort.

This server, so far, is getting what they put in and there is nothing wrong with that. It took great effort to get TMO to where they are and they reap great rewards for doing it, your guild put in little effort and got little reward for it.

You guys keep asking TMO to remove the barrier that they had to climb to get where they are, I don't blame them for not doing it nor wanting to do it.

Great post. So much bitching from those not willing to put in the work. That's pretty much what this all comes down to. It's sad that somebody like Falkun can insult someone in TMO for 'putting too much time into the game' when we are playing.. EVERQUEST and he in a guild with tons of people who play just as much as some of these TMO members. It truly boggles my mind lol.