Is the raid scene really that bad?

[spoils]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't, it won't happen. There are way too many people/guilds wanting to do this content (read get the loot for their paper-doll).

It can't be 'fixed'. We can't introduce Velious two years ago. We can't take back the decade of analysis of EverQuest and the knowledge of every single item and every single quest.

In classic times raid strategies were guarded, yes they leaked out eventually, but it took the intrepid. You went after that boss night after night. You died repeatedly, you learned, and maybe, just maybe you triumphed.

There is no "raiding scene" here. Only a pharming scene. You read how-to's on everything and consider yourselves elite players because you can run fastest to a mob.

Raiding on P99 is PvP. It's not classic. We all remember Gornaire running around DL for weeks. Some of you remember seeing guilds try to kill her. Some fewer of us remember trying it in person (and dying, and dying until we got it right.) She lived 19 minutes Saturday. She fell to the guild that got there first, the one that got the people in the zone and to her the fastest. It's just PvP organizational skills, it has nothing to do with gaming skills.

Raiding is NOT reading a Wiki and killing a mob that's been killed a thousand times before and executing a well-known strategy freely available to all. You are just lewt pharming because you weren't good enough (or old enough, or both) back in the day.


Ezrick Blackpriest
<Black Company>
Tarew Marr 1999-2002

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[Babayaaga]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't, it won't happen. There are way too many people/guilds wanting to do this content (read get the loot for their paper-doll).

It can't be 'fixed'. We can't introduce Velious two years ago. We can't take back the decade of analysis of EverQuest and the knowledge of every single item and every single quest.

In classic times raid strategies were guarded, yes they leaked out eventually, but it took the intrepid. You went after that boss night after night. You died repeatedly, you learned, and maybe, just maybe you triumphed.

There is no "raiding scene" here. Only a pharming scene. You read how-to's on everything and consider yourselves elite players because you can run fastest to a mob.

Raiding on P99 is PvP. It's not classic. We all remember Gornaire running around DL for weeks. Some of you remember seeing guilds try to kill her. Some fewer of us remember trying it in person (and dying, and dying until we got it right.) She lived 19 minutes Saturday. She fell to the guild that got there first, the one that got the people in the zone and to her the fastest. It's just PvP organizational skills, it has nothing to do with gaming skills.

Raiding is NOT reading a Wiki and killing a mob that's been killed a thousand times before and executing a well-known strategy freely available to all. You are just lewt pharming because you weren't good enough (or old enough, or both) back in the day.


Ezrick Blackpriest
<Black Company>
Tarew Marr 1999-2002

Hey you still in touch with Isriam? Is he on P99 in any form?

[deneauth]

Rotations have happened in the past and the sky rotation is a wonderful thing. I don't want to rehash any old disputes between guilds the past is in the past, if you are caught up on the past how do you expect to move forward has always been my motto. One guild isn't monopolizing ALL content or else mid tier guilds would never get raid targets, which they do. All that would have to happen is we would have to try and trying out new things can be difficult I understand that. Its not impossible though improbable because all parties involved have to want to do it. Its just me throwing around another idea whats the harm in that?

[Autotune]

Just an FYI, for those who may not know it, my stance is that no other guild deserves any of VP. The people crying about not being able to get in to VP and get easy loot are the ones that were carried by IB/TR and keyed so they could act as train fodder.

There are a few ex VD (ones that actually put effort in IB's raids) and a few ex IB left who deserve VP loot. Sadly all of those only amount to a handful of people now.

You can say this is an entitled opinion, but no other guild was willing to even challenge IB like TMO(+DA) and they should get every bit of the large pie that's now available.

Shit, TMO was giving you fools world dragons and was debating giving more depending on how things went and most of you complained that it wasn't enough. No matter what TMO gives up, unless it's TMO giving you everything, you guys will never be satisfied.

You DO NOT deserve an equal share (or even remotely close) to TMO's share.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just an FYI, for those who may not know it, my stance is that no other guild deserves any of VP. The people crying about not being able to get in to VP and get easy loot are the ones that were carried by IB/TR and keyed so they could act as train fodder.

There are a few ex VD (ones that actually put effort in IB's raids) and a few ex IB left who deserve VP loot. Sadly all of those only amount to a handful of people now.

You can say this is an entitled opinion, but no other guild was willing to even challenge IB like TMO(+DA) and they should get every bit of the large pie that's now available.

Shit, TMO was giving you fools world dragons and was debating giving more depending on how things went and most of you complained that it wasn't enough. No matter what TMO gives up, unless it's TMO giving you everything, you guys will never be satisfied.

You DO NOT deserve an equal share (or even remotely close) to TMO's share.

The forums were better off when you stopped posting. You do realize that it's classic to show up at spots at predetermined times to kill raid mobs right? It takes 20x the effort here to try and do high end raiding compared to live. Thats the retarded part about everything.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The forums were better off when you stopped posting. You do realize that it's classic to show up at spots at predetermined times to kill raid mobs right? It takes 20x the effort here to try and do high end raiding compared to live. Thats the retarded part about everything.

Oh it's classic? Let me go tell Rogean, I am sure he doesn't know that and he will get right on changing it. Then we can tell him that rotations are classic and he will get right on that too!

You do realize this is P99 and not a 1999 live server yeah? Perhaps you don't understand that showing up to a predetermined target at a predetermined time is not possible here, yeah? You do realize I was referencing something that wasn't going to happen, yeah?

No, you don't, cause you're an idiot.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It takes 20x the effort here to try and do high end raiding compared to live.

Think about why this is for a minute, especially with such a long Kunark

# of lvl 60 players is a bit top heavy wouldn't you say

[Arteker]

there was alot of nice people in VD, before IB tangled with vd and used them because it was a use of their numbers and a few of their elite players.


VD was the perfect guild for people hittin lvl 50, lots of guild groups in early kunark and almost 2 days raid to fear and hate.

even i remember before ib they took down sisters and and bee boss or that is what kmorrax and others told me.


VD then become the target of IB to boost their every time smaller numbers and to regain his status as number 1.
at first worked but, as always noobs+elitist dont work well. and then tmo win the upperhand again.


once ib rmt and left server VD tried to stand by himself instead to make peace with tmo and go back his old and imo better path and use the learns of the time they fougth tmo to make them even better.



they tried then to figth for number 1 and well it didint worked very well.

[Arteker]

infact even if Vd was the most members banned after the first ban fest they where the prime guild to get a full set of planar armour.

and people loved it.

[Wotsirb401]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there was alot of nice people in VD, before IB tangled with vd and used them because it was a use of their numbers and a few of their elite players.


VD was the perfect guild for people hittin lvl 50, lots of guild groups in early kunark and almost 2 days raid to fear and hate.

even i remember before ib they took down sisters and and bee boss or that is what kmorrax and others told me.


VD then become the target of IB to boost their every time smaller numbers and to regain his status as number 1.
at first worked but, as always noobs+elitist dont work well. and then tmo win the upperhand again.


once ib rmt and left server VD tried to stand by himself instead to make peace with tmo and go back his old and imo better path and use the learns of the time they fougth tmo to make them even better.



they tried then to figth for number 1 and well it didint worked very well.

Very true, we were doing fine as a semi casual guild, doing planar clears, doing chardok etc. We had a lot of fun and it seemed like nothing could break us up. One day it seemed that IB was finally getting bored of sweeping every mob without any push from TMO or any other guilds, so members began doing what happens to everyone in life. They got bored and numbers started to suffer so they went to the next best guild (VD) and started having us tag along on raids and we started parking out at Trak to begin with and then it snowballed into all the other raids. Eventually when that fizzled out and people started to fight etc and VD was by themselves again. The former VD did not want to go back after all of that excitement, officers left to server to EQ MAc during the giant RMT purge of 2012 and vd merged with BDA to form VDA etc etc. You all know the rest