Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3 ways to possible fix the box

Allow "no rules", 2 boxing, training, everything goes (except third party hax)

or

Wipe the server, start with item loot, no rules, training allowed and 2boxing

or

Let the server be as is, have a steady pop around 100 on peak hours, and 30 on euro hours and the occasional 200 for raid day.

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The deluisional though of "hardcoded race teams" being the salvation is pure lols, there's nothing keeping nihilum from rerolling, and what makes you think they wouldn't? Either you're in nihilum and you hate everyone outside or you're outside and you hate everyone in nihilum or maybe you're in the heartbrand group which both sides hate equally. Either way, these people are not going to play together just because you hardcode the teams.

The only way to bring people back is to allow 2 boxing and training, let the small crews be able to get shit done with 10 people (20 toons with 2box) and let small crews like colgate be able to train the fuck out of the massive zerg of 40.

There's never ever going to be any pvp unless you give the underdogs a shot, no one is dumb enough to charge straight into 40 man zerg with 10 man crew, they rather just logoff and call it the day = no pvp.

So you want to allow griefing... yes this will bring more people to play.

Please disconnect your internet and never come back as you add nothing valuable to the conversation.

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you want to allow griefing... yes this will bring more people to play.

Please disconnect your internet and never come back as you add nothing valuable to the conversation.

Oh ok, lets make a rule against lowbie twinks fucking with other lowbies, i want griefing on the high levels, if you're not ready to get griefed at 60 you should disconnect your internets.

Hand holding people who zerg the server and really don't let the competition challenge them at all is griefing so you should disconnect your internets dog or drop guild and show how much balls you got

I merely suggest a ruleset that allow smaller groups of people to impact and change the server, either that or wipe, or watch the server die a slow death

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The deluisional though of "hardcoded race teams" being the salvation is pure lols, there's nothing keeping nihilum from rerolling, and what makes you think they wouldn't? Either you're in nihilum and you hate everyone outside or you're outside and you hate everyone in nihilum or maybe you're in the heartbrand group which both sides hate equally. Either way, these people are not going to play together just because you hardcode the teams.

Everyone knows Nihilium would reroll. But the point is that there are many old school zekkers waiting in the wings to come to a better ruleset red server that will happily stomp them and show them how Zek really is.

[SamwiseRed]

to be clear, i dont think hard coded teams will prevent the zerg from zerging.

zerg gonna zerg no matter what the ruleset is.

however if im going to play on a pvp server where one guild is half the population, it at least should be on a more fun and immersive ruleset.

hard-coded teams along with other fixes or bust.

[Dacuk]

sorry but but ranking guilds based on a number that isnt normalized on a per member basis is laughable. If you truly want to acknowledge skill, make the default ranking on kdr, or normalize guild pvp points by the total /played in the guild (lol). If i had to say, based on the leaderboard, looks like fair fighters and god's work are the top skilled pvp guilds.

[Thrilla]

I think Velious could offer a short term answer to the "small guilds" issue. NTOV loot for all is p amazing and holds up well, right now the competition is starved and relegated to fear/hate scraps that are Classic and the occasional raid mob they snatch. Meanwhile Nilly is running around in VP gear, it isn't a recipe for long term success.

I had called it months ago once the opposition was done advancing through the content Kunark provided whether for their mains and alts and all that was left was certain epics and VP gear that they'd quit and eventually the server would go back to it's classic days. Face it, EQ p boring when there is no grind to be had and for many left they have either quit or sucked up ego and app'd to Nihilum. I hate to see both happen.

Until the day that there is a rift inside the guild that takes enough poopsockers to balance the server I don't see this server ever being a highly contested box, it just won't be and I'm afraid the pixel pull is strong enough to ever allow that to happen. Hard coded teams might be fun but as others have alluded to, 85% of the people in Nihilum are determined enough to either switch to an alt or reroll to all be part of the same team again.

If we have learned anything in 2 years of R99 it would be that we have a limited population of players, all the hardcore types for the most part gravitate towards Nihilum especially if there is no other alternative. Hard codes teams is a great idea but I fear it may be too late to implement and would require a wipe which we know won't happen. Trust me, not everybody is Nihilum is content with how the box is right now. I have not a pixel to gain on Thrilla and yet not a viable target to cast on in PvP, it is as good as worthless.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Velious could offer a short term answer to the "small guilds" issue. NTOV loot for all is p amazing and holds up well, right now the competition is starved and relegated to fear/hate scraps that are Classic and the occasional raid mob they snatch. Meanwhile Nilly is running around in VP gear, it isn't a recipe for long term success.

I had called it months ago I said that once the opposition was done advancing through the content Kunark provided whether for their mains and alts and all that was left was certain epics and VP gear that they'd quit and eventually the server would go back to it's classic days. Face it, EQ p boring when there is no grind to be had and for many left they have either quit or sucked up ego and app'd to Nihilum. I hate to see both happen.

Until the day that there is a rift inside the guild that takes enough poopsockers to balance the server I don't see this server ever being a highly contested box, it just won't be and I'm afraid the pixel pull is strong enough to ever allow that to happen. Hard coded teams might be fun but as others have alluded to, 85% of the people in Nihilum are determined enough to either switch to an alt or reroll to all be part of the same team again.

/agree

[Stasis01]

Who knew Thrilla was such a smart fellow.

[heals4reals]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who knew Thrilla was such a smart fellow.

Always liked Thrilla. He was even rollin w Retti Hughman Skelly Nerfed n them in LoZ and on Kunark launch, but in the end the decision to zerg for gear to have that EQ advantage was strong and now he cant PvP unless he sunstrikes expers in COM or Hole.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by heals4reals [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always liked Thrilla. He was even rollin w Retti Hughman Skelly Nerfed n them in LoZ and on Kunark launch, but in the end the decision to zerg for gear to have that EQ advantage was strong and now he cant PvP unless he sunstrikes expers in COM or Hole.

Prolly because that playstyle of a small pvp crew leads to zero fun on red99 because there's about 4-10 people online @ any given time that are even in your level range and good luck finding them, engaging them in pvp, and not having them plug / gate pot / etc., GG your 45 minutes.