Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Rokannis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No ones saying to get rid of your box.

And lets not forget, they are just pixels bro. We all play for the experience and get away, the items at the end of the day mean absolutely nothing.

And even if we were, 100 people losing pixels on a broken server that will not bring in any more numbers...in fact it will only continue to lose players from here on out...is not a loss, its a gain.

The best way to fix it is create Red: Next. Once a bunch of people reach level cap, have the option to copy your char over with no gear. Make this work with blue too.

There you have your char, and now you can have fun actually playing on a server with people instead of a wasteland and you can work to re-dominate the raid scene. You can keep your pixels on your dead server, because it will still just as dead as it is now its not going to get better.

You know I'm right, and you know you can't attract a new population or influx of players on Red99, no matter how much you band aid it. The damage is done.

Take note that everyone defending this lunacy of trying to fix a broken server is Nihilium and Nihilium alone. The worst idea the EMU guys could do is cater to one guild of jobless jabronis.

You're right, Nihilum wouldn't roll up on one team and do the same thing there that they do here.

Also, I have no characters, no items and no personal motivation to stay on any server or argue on it's behalf, so I guess your theory is already in shambles.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, Nihilum wouldn't roll up on one team and do the same thing there that they do here.

Also, I have no characters, no items and no personal motivation to stay on any server or argue on it's behalf, so I guess your theory is already in shambles.

I would hope they do. Because with a team rule set people who actually want more logical fighting will come play. You will bring in an influx of EQ pvpers who have been searching to re-live their glory days but always thought FFA was a garbage idea or tried it the first two weeks and quit.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Rokannis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would hope they do. Because with a team rule set people who actually want more logical fighting will come play. You will bring in an influx of EQ pvpers who have been searching to re-live their glory days but always thought FFA was a garbage idea or tried it the first two weeks and quit.

and my heart goes out to each and every one of them

[mtb tripper]

wheres tomato

[mtb tripper]

basically what im reading is inverted earth

[Dullah]

Lot of straw man arguments floating around here.

No one thinks the server is perfect. Doubt theres anyone in nihilum that wouldn't like to see some things changed regarding pvp like resists, clickies and other mechanics that aren't in the spirit of fairness and fun.

The whole bluebie zerg argument is even dumber today than it ever was in the past in light of the documented evidence on the leaderboards.

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Though some players in Nihilum (and every guild for that matter) favor pve with limited pvp, the majority of our guild like the competition and came to this server for the ability to circumvent the unavoidable cockblock that existed on every blue server since 1999. Suggesting otherwise just makes you look like butthurt man-children.

Look, theres no magic formula that is going to spontaneously produce a high population EQ pvp server in 2013. This is a niche inside a niche. Its was actually pretty amazing to hear there were over 200 concurrent players on red a matter of weeks ago.

Morale is currently down with the opposition, its understandable, but no amount of crying for wipes or attempts to hurt Nihilum by changing the dynamics of the server is going to fix things. The neckbeard is strong with these ones, and most of them would bounce right back in a different scenario or ruleset. The so-called solutions you have should, in general, work on the present server just as well as a new one. If what you're suggesting would "only work on a new server", your theory is probably bullshit and you have ulterior motives.

Hopefully in the coming months some fixes and tweaks can be made, maybe some form of blue>red char copies, and some sort of relaunch can be had for red prior to Velious. Until then, villainizing nihilum for winning isn't going to solve anything, it only makes the playerbase look less worthy of the staffs precious development time than it already does.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lot of straw man arguments floating around here.

No one thinks the server is perfect. Doubt theres anyone in nihilum that wouldn't like to see some things changed regarding pvp like resists, clickies and other mechanics that aren't in the spirit of fairness and fun.

The whole bluebie zerg argument is even dumber today than it ever was in the past in light of the documented evidence on the leaderboards.

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Though some players in Nihilum (and every guild for that matter) favor pve with limited pvp, the majority of our guild like the competition and came to this server for the ability to circumvent the unavoidable cockblock that existed on every blue server since 1999. Suggesting otherwise just makes you look like butthurt man-children.

Look, theres no magic formula that is going to spontaneously produce a high population EQ pvp server in 2013. This is a niche inside a niche. Its was actually pretty amazing to hear there were over 200 concurrent players on red a matter of weeks ago.

Morale is currently down with the opposition, its understandable, but no amount of crying for wipes or attempts to hurt Nihilum by changing the dynamics of the server is going to fix things. The neckbeard is strong with these ones, and most of them would bounce right back in a different scenario or ruleset. The so-called solutions you have should, in general, work on the present server just as well as a new one. If what you're suggesting would "only work on a new server", your theory is probably bullshit and you have ulterior motives.

Hopefully in the coming months some fixes and tweaks can be made, maybe some form of blue>red char copies, and some sort of relaunch can be had for red prior to Velious. Until then, villainizing nihilum for winning isn't going to solve anything, it only makes the playerbase look less worthy of the staffs precious development time than it already does.

More Nihilum supporting the status quo of raid mob farmage - Sirken praising ragebringer epic rogues for leaderboard ratios. This box is doomed.

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lot of straw man arguments floating around here.

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What exactly does this prove besides the fact that Nihilum has been around the longest and has played every day? Post the "leaderboard" of kills at the 1 month marker, when the masses actually played before quitting due to our hopes and dreams being crushed by the "difficult" PVE life. It's the equivalent of posting the leaderboards of LoZ after every one quit there as well.

And to answer Nihilum's rantings on how "One guild always rises to the top and the other guilds just quit," that's bull. Every VZTZ server that I played on had more competition at end game for much longer despite certain guilds being ahead of others. I think the reason behind that is that the gap between mediocre and top guilds wasn't too difficult too close... Every one could catch up without completely burning out. So I want to be max level in a month instead of three, who cares? As said previously, VZTZ focused on PvP instead of PvE. The result? More consistent high end pvp, competition for raid mobs and also group dungeons. Did this server ever have high end competition? I mean, half of Nihilums original crew exploiting some mage pet bug to reach max level in a few weeks, poop socked dungeons to get far ahead, and it seems like no one has attempted to take their throne yet.

The odd thing is that the faces I've seen in Nihilum haven't been any top competitors in any other PvP server.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The odd thing is that the faces I've seen in Nihilum haven't been any top competitors in any other PvP server.

that's because the majority of top competitors from VZTZ that came to red99 were banned in one fell swoop of GM/dev corruption and left with a bad taste in their mouth

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lot of straw man arguments floating around here.

No one thinks the server is perfect. Doubt theres anyone in nihilum that wouldn't like to see some things changed regarding pvp like resists, clickies and other mechanics that aren't in the spirit of fairness and fun.

The whole bluebie zerg argument is even dumber today than it ever was in the past in light of the documented evidence on the leaderboards.

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This proves that the only guild left standing who plays all day and has the best gear can kill people who casually log in and offer no competition and have far less gear.

You shoulda worked for CSI, your sleuthing and deduction abilities are impeccable.