Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[Closing]

I have done a lot of kiting in OT. I always slow or dd my target to pull them so it won't social agro if someone happens to get near my swarm. Also, if someone asks me to stay away from their "camp" then I do so. People are always bitching about bards in OT. I don't understand why people even go there to xp. There are way better dungeons to get better xp in.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[webrunner5]

I must admit Overthere is a crap zone to level in unless you are doing faction work. I am not fond of Bards either but they do NEED to have a few places to do it.

Well as for some Bards PLing well Druids have been know to sort of take over a few zones. And they are damn good zones to level in. Doesn't make it any better but it is reality.

[Capi]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How exactly are you being trained? Just curious as all the "camps" in OT are on the walls. Seems like odds of you running out to pull a mob and his train happening across you at that moment would be low.

He was standing in the middle of the lake in front of skyfire. Guess what he was doing? PLing

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Capi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was standing in the middle of the lake in front of skyfire. Guess what he was doing? PLing

Haha!

[quido]

It's up to the people in these zones at legit camps to make clear what they are doing and their expectations. For example, if a 60 bard is PLing some 30s dude in FM and there is a group at the giant fort, it's not too much to ask that he dot every single mob he pulls so that when they path over fort, they don't all add. At the same time, people are fast to blame bards in zones where they simply got pathed onto by roaming mobs.

[Savok]

As a bard I have only ever PBAE kited once on p1999, it was a disaster. I always preferred to charm kite with 3 or 4 mobs at once but that is still broken here so I'm reduced to either fear kiting or joining a group(!).

As a filthy hybrid groups seem to be few and far between because everyone is trying to maximize their playtime and don't want a bard sucking their exp away (seriously I was told once to f@$% off when I ask to join a group because I would slow down their exp). This means bards generally have to solo - the most efficient way would then be to swarm kite half a zone.

If people stopped trying to min max everything and just enjoyed the game maybe more people would group and have fun.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its grief and hard to level up. I lose 1/2 my night from CR's, medding and recovering from the loss. Makes me wanna just say screw it and go play another game.

I would like to hear other players thoughts on bard training from swarm kiting. It's not exactly intentional training.

1. It's not griefing, that would require intent imo.
2. If you lose half your night recovering from deaths, then you need to be more careful about where you are and what you're doing.
3. Don't quit, just stop letting yourself get killed. You admit it isn't intentional, so it isn't like the bards are hunting you down and dragging mobs over you on purpose when you are fighting something that will social aggro. So just move to a spot they don't train across, or pull stuff that isn't social, or pick a new zone.

But all that aside, 4. If you die because of mobs that are aggrod on a bard aggroing you, then it IS "training" and it IS against the rules even if it was 100% unintentional. Petition it. Server rules say it is the bard's fault and that he will be punished for it.

Originally Posted by Rogean

Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

If you happen to accidentally train a group of players, please immedietely notify the staff via /petition that you have done so by accident. Apologize to the players in question, and assist them with any recovery needed. If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action).

The staff don't seem to be very forceful in applying the training rules though, except maybe when it applies to raiding situations, probably because there is so much training going on every day because no one thinks that the "i didnt do it on purpose bro, i was just trying to get to a zoneline alive" training is illegal. Just look at all the stupid fucks who train all of the outpost to SF or FM every day and then say "sorry dude, i warned you guys" or "it wasn't on purpose" if you call them out on it.

I kinda wish people would get a week suspension for training to see if people started to actually be a little careful with their shit. But I guess it's pretty hard to confirm training just by hearing two people tell one-sided stories and looking at logs. Even screenshots don't really get the story across usually, and almost no one has fraps ready to go on a moment's notice.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. It's not griefing, that would require intent imo.
2. If you lose half your night recovering from deaths, then you need to be more careful about where you are and what you're doing.
3. Don't quit, just stop letting yourself get killed. You admit it isn't intentional, so it isn't like the bards are hunting you down and dragging mobs over you on purpose when you are fighting something that will social aggro. So just move to a spot they don't train across, or pull stuff that isn't social, or pick a new zone.

But all that aside, 4. If you die because of a bard's pulling aggroing you, then it IS "training" and it IS against the rules even if it was 100% unintentional. Petition it. Server rules say it is the bard's fault and that he will be punished for it.

1. Bullshit. Or, if you prefer, when your intent is to do as you please and to hell with everybody else, that's more than sufficient. Actually, whether or not you prefer, that comment is pure, unadulterated, bullshit.

2. If you're griefing people by single-handedly disrupting the everloving fuck out of an XP zone intended for many you need to fuck off and quit being such a goddamned asshat.

3. Don't quit, petition the assholes early and often (don't forget the dickweed druids and wizards training their quads over XP groups and then zoning because they've bitten off more than they can chew, petition them as well.)

4. Corporal punishment would be a fantastic upgrade to this server's CSR (a guy can dream.)

[Ravager]

Let the bards have OT imo, it's the worst zone for exping in anyway, unless you are a bard. You'll get better exp, loot and end game skills grouping in a dungeon.