Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Something for nothing? No one is asking for loot to be handed to them by a GM. they want a chance to kill a mob without having to worry about some dbag bringing 20 mobs to their camp. If people really wanted to play like that they can goto Red. I hear there are a bunch of Dbag trainers over there. Then they could get their "competition"

NOTHING in life is free. Get over it. Play faster, smarter and guess what you win. You think anyone in RL just sits on their ass and ends up with the brass ring. It is a dog eat dog world on here and in RL. I would guess a lot of people that are in TMO play on Red also. They are go for the throat types, and play to win.

Not my style, I am too old for that crap now, but I am not complaining if I can't or don't want to run with the big dogs anymore. Such is life.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My definition of fixing the raid scene is one where the act of competing itself is basically enjoyable.

Trouble is, there's an overwhelming contingent of players who only find the ends enjoyable--and the means are justifiable no matter what. I can't blame the powers-that-be for not wanting to deal with the raid-scene any more than they have when their every effort has proven to be Sisyphean. Every iteration of the rules has been seen as an obstacle to these people and they never embrace the spirit of the rulings--preferring instead to plot and scheme as to how far the envelope can be pushed and how the rules can be lawyered and ultimately defeated.

[kylok]

And how is that an issue of balance?

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And how is that an issue of balance?

When a guild can win simply because they have more trainers...? How is it not ? Racing to a mob is competition. TMO still has the advantage regardless of what the rules are by their size. Balance gets thrown out when a large guild can simply train a zone to keep it uncontested while they watch other targets. Again no offense to TMO they have every right to do so by the current rules. It simply throws off the balance from VP down. IF they had to race and distribute resources to protect VP via racing then a few spawns would be open to the rest of the server.

[xarzzardorn]

loraen is just upset his guild of the best players on the server doesnt get to attempt trakanon with 10 people whenever they feel like it. keep fuckin those chickens in sky you shitlord

[kylok]

Unbalanced would imply an unfair advantage, i.e. one that another guild could not replicate/do themselves. This is not the case. It's like if two strippers are on Howard Stern and one is willing to debase themselves more than the other for money - it's not an issue of balance it's an issue of who's willing to sacrifice more for their ends.

[zanderklocke]

Training is fine with me.

However, I think variance is sort of lame. I think the game would be a lot more fun if the raid targets all popped at the same time once a week. People would actually get to try to get mobs, and FTE would "hopefully" eliminate disputes. For sure there is no way that TMO or any power guild would get all the mobs. Only thing I can't figure out is whether or not it should be the same time each week that all mobs spawn or if the weekly time should be random. Regardless, this would decrease tracking with either situation, and people could actually play the game instead of just staring at the screen doing nothing. I did the tracking of Ragefire to get my blazing armor which wasn't fun, and I'm glad it's done.

Regardless, I don't have much interest in participating in raiding through tracking/batphoning, so my time on P99 is essentially done. I had my fun, still mess around on the forums, but I feel like I "won" EverQuest by getting to 60 and obtaining many Kunark best in slot pieces.

[kylok]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is fine with me.

However, I think variance is sort of lame. I think the game would be a lot more fun if the raid targets all popped at the same time once a week. People would actually get to try to get mobs, and FTE would "hopefully" eliminate disputes. For sure there is no way that TMO or any power guild would get all the mobs. Only thing I can't figure out is whether or not it should be the same time each week that all mobs spawn or if the weekly time should be random. Regardless, this would decrease tracking with either situation, and people could actually play the game instead of just staring at the screen doing nothing. I did the tracking of Ragefire to get my blazing armor which wasn't fun, and I'm glad it's done.

Regardless, I don't have much interest in participating in raiding through tracking/batphoning, so my time on P99 is essentially done. I had my fun, still mess around on the forums, but I feel like I "won" EverQuest by getting to 60 and obtaining many Kunark best in slot pieces.

+1 probably best post in this thread

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless, I don't have much interest in participating in raiding through tracking/batphoning, so my time on P99 is essentially done. I had my fun, still mess around on the forums, but I feel like I "won" EverQuest by getting to 60 and obtaining many Kunark best in slot pieces.

Pretty much this.

Raiding is not fun on P99. It's boring.

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding is not fun on P99. It's boring.

Shit's Classic